Ezra and Nehemiah – More Than Leadership Lessons

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Well, right.
So my in laws were in town.

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Yeah, big.
Weekend.

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Big weekend, Yeah.
Lydia graduated.

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We were recording several, so
this is going to come out

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several, you know, weeks after.
Yeah, just graduate.

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But at the time of recording,
Lydia has just graduated.

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And I don't know the contest
because I wasn't there for the

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conversation.
But apparently my in laws were,

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you know, my my mother-in-law
likes to keep track of everyone.

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She's always asking like, who's
this?

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Who's this?
And I'll remind me their names

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because if they think she wants
to be personable and, you know,

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be able to come up and, you
know, talk to you about your

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family.
And if there's new people, she's

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wanting to find them out.
But one of them asked about you,

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Zach.
And the the question was, oh, is

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he the one with the beard?
Oh wow, I'll take that.

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And So what?
This is Jill's mother.

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Jill's mom.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Which I you know, Jill's mom, I

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don't know why you asked that
because she probably watches

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this routinely on YouTube
because you could see the

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progression, right?
And I was.

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Kidding.
And then I don't remember who

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else it was.
I have a feeling it was Clay or

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Jonathan White.
I can't remember but they asked

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if you were going after that
reformer 0.

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Jonathan White, because he told
me the same thing at Goldie's

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graduation party.
The beard, the I, I mean, I, and

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I don't know if you know the
nomenclature.

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Technically, this is not a
goatee.

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Do you know this?
This is this.

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Part this is a goatee.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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On the chin's a goatee.
Technically, it's a circle

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beard.
If it's beard, which I'm gonna

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say what I can get.
OK, Yeah, Google this.

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I need this because I can't
throw a full beard.

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I thought below the lips was
goat, but together was goatee.

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Oh, see, maybe we're looking at
different sources.

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My understanding is circle
beard, if you have like the

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mustache and the goatee and
they're not connected, that's

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called a Van Dyke.
Have you heard this?

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You should just just just just
just look this up, look this up.

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And or if you know our associate
pastor, assistant Pastor Danny,

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he does what we like to call the
sideburns.

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And I say that because I've had
a conversation.

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I don't.
I think his wife has never seen

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the side of his face like he's
at sideburns.

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At least they known each other,
which is amazing.

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Now that you bring this up,
yeah, I have to, I have to say

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this.
Did you ever play Mike Tysons

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Punch Out?
I I'm familiar, I never really

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played it.
Yeah.

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So one of the characters that
you fight against, his name is

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Piston Honda.
And he had these big sideburns

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and kind of looked a little bit
like Elvis Presley.

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But whenever I see Danny,
sometimes I'm like, oh, he

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looked just like Piston Hot.
I'm going to look.

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It's amazing.
Facial aid is great.

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I'm getting a lot of comments on
my facial aid, which I'm loving.

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I'm just going to keep growing
it out.

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Yeah, Jonathan's like a former
beard, Matt Gilbert said.

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I had a ferocious beard and I
was like, I like, I was like

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Matt Gilbert.
Oh yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, hopefully he'll be on the
podcast one day.

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And yeah, so I mean, people,
it's very polarizing.

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People are like, oh, I love it.
Mostly guys, girls, other way.

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Like like how does your wife, I
mean, like they'll be like, does

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your wife like facial hair?
But I think that's more of a

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maybe a facial hair thing versus
like, I'm just growing it out.

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But what?
What's she got it?

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Says Goatee.
A small, narrow vertical strip

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of hair centered below the lower
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OK, hair on the chin so it has
goat tea and then also goatee

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and circle beard.
Circle beard is mustache

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connected to a rounded goatee
forming a full circle around the

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mouth.
Goatee is hair on the chin only,

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no mustache.
Variants may include a connected

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mustache.
So it's like.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's kind of given some leeway

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for probably people miscalling
it, but it seems like you you

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were on the money.
So goatee is, you know, below

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the lips.
Don't.

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Say goatee.
Yeah, yeah.

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Circle beard.
Sounds more manly because I have

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trouble growing the full the
full beard.

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But man, I've got I'm getting a
little bit.

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I do have a little bit.
I've got the salt and pepper

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goatee getting a little more,
you know, so it's.

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Coming easy, how fast it starts
coming in and like before you

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know it, it's like white and I
don't feel that old, but I guess

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that's what people always say no
matter what the.

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Class is like, that's when you
know you're old, when you're

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like, I don't feel that old.
Bingo, you.

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Made it.
But yeah, my, I have talked

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about, you know, Jonathan White
does this thing where he will

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completely shaved once a year.
OK, Yeah, I don't know if he's

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done that recently, but there
for a while.

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And I told you I was like, I
should probably do that.

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Oh, yeah.
And she's like, no, do not, do

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not do that.
So anyway, maybe.

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If you've had the beard for a
while, like a long time, yeah.

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When was the last time?
I got out of the Navy 2006

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immediately started growing.
A goatee went to because I had

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to go to college.
So yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You know, out of the Navy, you
know, in the Navy, obviously

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clean shaving.
I've seen a lot of people in

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uniform with facial hair.
Yeah, I don't.

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I've got to go check out the
regs.

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Like, how are these people doing
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Because it doesn't seem like
it's just a no shave permission

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slip.
I I said permission slip because

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the actual word is chit, CHIT.
But, you know, it's very close

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to another word.
So no shave chit.

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OK, yeah, but five times fast.
Say it.

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Yeah, but so anyways, I've
probably had a beard since

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20/10/2009.
Wow, rocket truck.

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See I really can only grow the
goatee really well.

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Basically on the side does not
come in well.

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People just associate me with a
goatee like what?

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I will go queen shaving.
People are like not freaked out,

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but they're like, you know, I'm
like I I shave my face a lot of

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times, like once a week or twice
a week or something.

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But it just like the way it
grows in is like just a goatee.

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So I feel like people
perpetually or circle beard

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think I've got the circle beard
going on, but no one's a circle

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beard.
So we had no.

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One says circle beard.
Yeah, I'm trying to make it, you

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know, make it normalize circle
beards.

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That should be a new that should
be new merch.

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Make circle beards great again.
Nice, great.

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We also have some Stewart's
orange and cream and get the

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stuff at, you know, Cracker
Barrel and the Light.

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So, you know, classic.
So this tastes like, like a

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orange cream.
So I want to taste hints of

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vanilla and orange.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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All right.
Cheers.

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Cheers.
Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.
You.

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Got you Got a cheer from it's
class file for sure.

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Oh yeah, that's very nice.
It is good.

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That is very nice.
You heard it here first.

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Now sponsored by Stewart.
Blackstone and Stewart's get

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just get on on on the train.
But I like when Jonathan

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Reformer, he was like, yeah, you
know, I I got that.

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I'm I'm going to stick to it
because what?

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The reformer Tat.
That's right.

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I'm just going to go.
Yeah, we missed an opportunity

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because last time we recorded
you were wearing.

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A tank top, Yeah.
So that would have, you know,

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given us some access.
I don't know if I've ever

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actually seen your Wow.
Yeah, yeah.

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Should have should have showed
showed everyone your tattoo.

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Man, next I'm wearing the tank.
I don't know if I'll do it

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again.
I I, it was a spur of the moment

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decision.
Michael was wearing his merch.

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I was like, oh, I got I got the
tank tops.

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So I put it on.
But I normally I like work out

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in it or do something, but I've
got the noticeable what, what do

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you call it?
The farmer's tan?

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It's pretty bad and and the tank
top, you see the farmer's tan

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coming through.
So farmer's tan.

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Coach's tan.
Yeah, yeah.

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Anyone who's got sleeves out in
the sunlight tan, Yeah.

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Yeah, well, today we're starting
a new series.

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I I wonder what facial hair Ezra
or do you might have?

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Yeah.
Or did they drink orange?

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Orange cream soda, Yeah, I don't
know, Maybe when we get.

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Can't wait to, you know, get get
to the afterlife and, you know,

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ask them all about it.
But I'm excited for this new

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series.
Maybe, I don't know, for

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episodes, something like that.
But hopefully as we do this

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podcast too, we're doing all
different things, apologetics.

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We talk a lot obviously about
scripture.

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Maybe we'll start covering, you
know, over the course of time,

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different swaths of scripture.
So basically.

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Eventually we cover 66 different
books.

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Wow, I was that bad.
Did you just pull it out of thin

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air?
So let's go ahead and take it to

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the next level from the hearts
of the low country in South

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Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
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Well, I'm excited, Michael, for
this series when we went through

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Ezra and Nehemiah, an impact
maybe like actually it was last

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summer a year ago and it was
super edifying.

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Loved it a ton.
And the way I started out the

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class was I just had everyone
like, who's your favorite?

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Let's start naming like the top
20 Bible character of everyone

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in here.
And I bet neither one of no one

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named Ezra and Neiman.
No, it's like Moses, Elijah,

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Jesus, Apostle Paul, John.
Yeah, it's it's it's almost like

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everyone except for Ezra
Nehemiah doesn't get a lot of

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play.
Anyone, Samuel?

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Samuel.
Yeah.

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Samuel.
Like I mean like, I mean, I

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don't I can't remember the exact
list, so maybe no one, but I'm

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just saying it was like
everyone, a lot of patriarchs,

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Genesis, like all those guys
are, are taken.

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So maybe not Samuel, I don't
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But it's it's one of those
neglected areas.

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I don't know when the, you know,
everyone's different, but when

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the last time you heard a good
sermon series on Ezra or

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something like that, But it's
something you know, maybe not

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typically that you hear a ton.
Yeah, I'm trying to think we

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obviously we kind of hit Ezra
sometimes when we're talking

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about history of of Israel.
Yeah.

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So maybe not a sermon series on
Ezra did.

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Did you ever?
Not since I've.

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Been.
Yeah, I know you've.

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Been here like twice as long.
So sometimes you get a sermon

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series on Nehemiah because it's
like the 40 days build the wall,

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you know, that type of focus,
leadership, rah, rah, rah type

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of stuff.
Yeah.

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And and when you when you look
at Ezra Nehemiah, no miracles.

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So that like rules out like the
fun factor a little bit like,

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nothing super crazy happens.
No one's getting a nail put to

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this either head.
Yeah, exactly.

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Ezra's really just someone who
loves the Torah, loves the

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Bible, loves the worship, no
signs and wonders.

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He's just trying to be serious
to God's word and encouraging

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other people to as well.
Nehemiah, talk about building a

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wall, glorified construction
worker.

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Like that's like kind of, it's
like it's not Moses or these

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things.
Jesus talks a lot about Isaiah,

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talks, quotes Deuteronomy a lot,
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Nehemiah.
That might be part of the reason

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we don't talk about, you know,
he talks about Dave, he talks

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about Solomon.
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probably familiar with the story
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it's like, it's good, it's in
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So it just kind of gets pushed
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purpose.
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hate Ezra.
It's just not as important.

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Do you think that, Well, there
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maybe 10th, 11th grade, and
someone went through the

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structure of the Bible with us.
It was our pastorate time on

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Wednesday night.
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known at before that time.
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through Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther.
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And then we start our prophets.
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timing, the timing is, is the
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story of creation, the story of
the fall, the story of the

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flood, the story of Abraham, and
maybe even up to the divided

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Kingdom and then the divided
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And the more hazy there's always
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history and then an important
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kind of bringing helping be
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the New Testament.
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acclimated with it just because
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lot of people.
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popping up the end.
This might go together really

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well if we're doing a Kingdom of
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looking at some of this, how it
just where it's placed in

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Scripture is is pretty amazing.
Some of the facts I have about

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here.
If you look up like on Amazon

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bookstores, like books on Ezra
and Nehemiah, almost all of them

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about leaders are like be a good
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Like you want to be like
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We were in a church planning
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Someone's like you need your
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Do you remember this like they
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figure to spearhead this or it's
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It's a very common thing.
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I think Ezra Nehemiah portrayed
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story is.
Actually Ezra be like someone

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who dares to speak up to the
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Ester.
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that's the cupbearer, right?
And the king says, what's the

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matter that is.
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You got to TuneIn.
We don't know.

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We don't even know.
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we need to do this study.
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But this is the beautiful thing.
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the end of Nehemiah because this
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when I before go into this, I
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leaders build the wall.
Don't know a lot more about it.

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Nehemiah, this is basically how
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In those days, he saw these
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them and cursed them and beat
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their hair.
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you don't don't give your
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This guy who, you know, brought
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between Ezra name eyes rippable.
It kind of ends in a bad spot.

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It's not like what you would
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things flourished.
It's like actually, this didn't

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turn out how I thought it would
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there's not not a good king that
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next chapter.
They're looking for the Messiah.

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Maybe they're kind of the
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of they're looking forward.
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like, wow, the author is trying
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It's help helps us think about
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And one thing I did want to hit
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Jewish Bible.
It's laid out differently and I

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think it plays a role.
Like I think we'd be more

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familiar with Ezron Nehemiah if
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were Jewish.
It would just stand out more

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'cause it's kind of lost, like
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So how's it different?
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So you you might know this
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T for Torah N is like the nevium
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I don't know what the I I took
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If you want to look this up,
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And then the last one's like
Kabithim I don't know but it's

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basically Torah, prophets,
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And Ezra Nehemiah a.
Theater nuclear operations

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course, is that, is that what
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About maybe on the next tab, I
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But what's interesting is the
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Bible ends with Ezra Nehemiah on
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the Bible.
Ezra Nehemiah kind of leaves you

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with a downer a little bit.
You read first Chronicles and in

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the ways of Downers, these kings
aren't great, but it's it's,

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it's, it's anticipating
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for the way our Bible's laid out

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too.
Maybe we talked about that one

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time.
I think it's like the year 1000

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or 1100.
We kind of get maybe maybe it

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was your boy Aquinas who did
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I don't know.
I can't remember when he was

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born, but it's like we don't
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trajectory.
We kind of get this like downer

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and as our name.
I then a little bit on a upswing

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because there's a little bit of
hope at the universe Chronicles

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as we're waiting.
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beautifully comes in with this,
you know, all these genealogies

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in the gospels.
It kind of fits really cool with

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Chronicles, but that's just not
how our English Bibles are laid

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out.
But anyway, I don't know if you

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have information on the Tanakh,
how it's.

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I've found some, but I have.
It's an acronym for the three

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sections of the Canon, the
Torah, the first five books of

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Moses, the Naveem, the Prophets,
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So the first library of the
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genres, narrative history, law,
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So yeah, so those 3.
And I'm gonna advocate for this

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also what we find in this
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one scroll.
Meaning we probably should read

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those together.
They're not 2 separate books

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like how we have them.
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overall content and structure of
the book, we're gonna see, oh,

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the author have these theme,
have have these themes and

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parallel movements that we're
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That's important.
If you don't, I don't get this

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now.
I'll, I'll try to break it up so

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you can understand it.
It's like reading the second

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Lord of the Rings book before
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You can probably.
Still understand the story, but

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you.
Admit it's like you're not

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getting the full picture.
So anyway, you alluded to like

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timeline context.
That's when we normally hear

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about these people.
We kind of talk through that

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because I think even I've gone
over this a lot of times and

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it's still, it's not like 1776
like you know what I mean?

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Like some of these dates maybe
are, but it's I think it is hard

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to get the flow when these
profits lived and it it's kind

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of tricky.
That's good.

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So you want to go over some of
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Let's do it.
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understand like one major date,
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date would be?
Well, you don't have the one I

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was put on here, 586.
Oh, I, I do.

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Are you, are you on my notes?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I if you.
So what does?

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At 7:22 when the Northern
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right?
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So Northern, whatever that

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northern, I think it's around
7:22.

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I think you.
Nailed it.

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Yeah, Northern Kingdom is
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and spread abroad, abroad and
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which yeah you do have on here
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are taken captive into Babylon.
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God's chosen people because from
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you know, they've kind of been a
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And now that now they're,
they're not so much.

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Exactly right.
So there's one day that you

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should know, and you've probably
heard us, probably that date.

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You Fast forward about 50 years,
you know, you know, some of this

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is a little all over the place.
530-8539 and 539.

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Babylon falls to Cyrus and the
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bit different structure than the
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Babylon took people into exile.
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do what they want.
He kind of wanted to keep all

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the gods kind of happy.
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great, go serve your God.
Let's get some favor there.

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I want people to worship your
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This is what I'm going to start
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So in 538 or around that time,
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So about 50 years after the fall
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that much farther down the road,
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I think what's really
interesting as well, you just go

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a little bit in the future, you
know, whatever that is, 25 years

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we have Esther.
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thick of this too.
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years after Esther in 458 and
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But the book of ever opens up
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you know, I don't know, I'm not
not great at math, but a a good

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amount before Ezra comes on the
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So 'cause you might be thinking,
Ezra, that's not where the book

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starts, you know.
So anyway.

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And so through here we would
have, you know, Daniel would

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have come over and Shadrach,
Meshach and Abednego AKA

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Hananiah, Azariah, Michel, but
they would have.

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Where did you place them?
Because they'd be a little

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before.
Like what?

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They would be before them,
right?

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So they would have, they would
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the fall of Babylon.
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So they're, they're probably
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ish.
Yeah, I think that's probably.

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Nailing and then came over, you
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Jerusalem and then.
So Daniel is going to live a

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good long time.
So he's probably going to live

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till, I don't know, 520 BC 5
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So he's like seeing.
Some of this.

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Through so some overlap.
And what's tricky too, I don't

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have this on the time when we'll
talk about this in subsequent

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episodes, but it's like Haggai
Zechariah, contemporaries of

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this time.
They're writing prophecies,

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they're talking, they're
engaging with these people.

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Ezekiel too some he's somewhere
in.

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This Ezekiel and Jeremiah are
contemporaries and if you don't

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understand the book of Jeremiah,
guess what?

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You're not gonna understand
Cyrus and this book.

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So there's a lot of overlap
where it's like all these things

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kind of collide in Ezra and
Nehemiah, which makes it very,

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it's just fascinating cause most
of us, no, Daniel, we know, you

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know, but more so than Ezra,
Nehemiah.

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So it's like, oh, it's, it's
good to fill in the gaps here

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looking at authorship, just like
everywhere else.

447
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:32,800
There's like thoughts all over
the place.

448
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:38,560
I think Tradition Patch review
Ezra as being the author of Ezra

449
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,480
Nehemiah and maybe versus Saint
Chronicles or Chronicles as it

450
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:46,000
is in the Jewish you know Bible.
Yeah, I'll just say I, I think

451
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,480
I've said this before, but you
know, you mentioned it and it's

452
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,920
good to be repeating.
Whenever I do my chronological

453
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:57,600
read through the Bible and they
put they just like chop up kings

454
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:58,920
and chronicles.
Kings and Chronicles.

455
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,560
I'm like, I wish you wouldn't do
that.

456
00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:05,080
Just give me Chronicles, you
know, with, you know, Ezra

457
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,120
Nehemiah because it's supposed
to be a recap, like a looking

458
00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:08,840
back.
It's not.

459
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,280
Yeah, It's on purposely looking
back.

460
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,400
That's smart.
Yeah, that's good.

461
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,760
Go ahead.
I like that you read Ezra

462
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,040
Nehemiah.
Some isn't the first person,

463
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,560
some isn't the third person.
So it gets a little bit tricky.

464
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,200
But Ezra usually is given over,
as you know, he's the one who

465
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,440
studies the law, all of this
stuff.

466
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,960
He writes it, you know, Ezra a
lot isn't the first person.

467
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,080
Ezra one through 6 happens a
long time before Ezra's life,

468
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,080
really 538 or 515, or at least
before he really gets in the

469
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,560
ministry.
Ezra 7 through Nehemiah, 13.

470
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,640
Those overlap more or less.
Ezra and Nehemiah are are pretty

471
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,120
close contemporaries of each
other.

472
00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:46,200
And 4:58 to 4:33 kind of range.
And you look through this, you

473
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,440
can kind of tell Ezra is clearly
writing some of this.

474
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,520
Sometimes he's writing in the
first person, third person.

475
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,800
So anyway, that I think a good
take away is Ezra Nehemiah, one

476
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,560
scroll.
This story is a span of about

477
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,240
100 years.
If it kind of gets you where it

478
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,440
starts, where it finishes, maybe
not quite, but it's it's not

479
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,840
like all this happens in 20
years.

480
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,720
You know, they kind of get out,
get a feel for it.

481
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,960
And really, what I want, what I
want to set up in this episode,

482
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,080
is broad strokes.
There's three parallel movements

483
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,480
that more or less mimic each
other where you're like, OK,

484
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,920
we're seeing the same kind of
story here, here and here.

485
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,080
This was all in one scroll.
It's probably trying to

486
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,680
reinforce the same kinds of
things.

487
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,360
These three movements all have a
Persian king that helps them go

488
00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:34,800
back.
Each movement has a different

489
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,560
leader, you know, as we will
focus on the temple, Ezra on the

490
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,240
law, Nehemiah on the wall, each
movement has this great

491
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,680
anticipation, this great hope.
It's so exciting.

492
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,760
They're coming home from exile.
They can build this.

493
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,720
You're gonna read Zechariah and
Haggai and some of this,

494
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,520
especially Zechariah talks about
this temple.

495
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaking of Ezekiel, it's like
all about this temple with like

496
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,000
specific measurements.
The measurements actually kind

497
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,840
of don't make sense.
You know, these are like these

498
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,440
don't these don't fit.
And then it ends talking about

499
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,200
God being with his people.
And you're kind of like, OK,

500
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,080
what's going on?
There's a lot of hope, much of

501
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,720
excitement.
If you're reading Jeremiah,

502
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,520
you're like, oh, there's a new
covenant coming.

503
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,280
We gotta it's like everyone's
like pumped.

504
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,360
They'd be familiar with this.
But then each movement ends with

505
00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,200
a little bit of good, but a a
lot of bad too.

506
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,560
And you're like, that's kind of
weird.

507
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,960
You feel like this would be like
the consummation in a way.

508
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,440
Yeah, yeah.
I remember like these people

509
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,800
marrying some foreign wives and,
you know, being very upset and

510
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,280
then some of the bad stuff
that's in there.

511
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
There's some room that some guys

512
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,880
basically has that he's misusing
in the temple.

513
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:42,840
And it's like what?
And it's crazy because like Ezra

514
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,160
has just come temple, like
worships re establish right

515
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,000
after all these things happen.
It's like they're being misused

516
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,720
and Ezra Nehemiah, the only ones
doing what's right.

517
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,680
They're like, you guys don't see
this and they've got to, you

518
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,760
know, weed their people back.
But it's it's kind of

519
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,840
disheartening because all the
Old Testament is pointing to

520
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:04,000
this, like new city, this great
king and Ezra Nehemiah seem to

521
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,360
be doing what's right, but it's
not paying off.

522
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,560
So Ezra one through 6 focuses on
King Cyrus, focuses on durable

523
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,320
building the temple.
And again, some people are

524
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,080
happy, but the people that
remember the temple are like,

525
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,880
this is not like Solomon's
temple.

526
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,200
Ezra 7 through 10, you have King
Artaxyrxes and Ezra is the

527
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,440
leader restoring worship and
Torah to the temple.

528
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,920
Again, mixed results.
And then Nehemiah, it's a lot,

529
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,200
you know, some people say it's
like 1 big movement with a

530
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,680
couple of sub movements where
you have king art exertes again,

531
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,960
they're contemporaries.
Nehemiah, it's coming back a

532
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,560
little bit after Ezra to build
the wall.

533
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,440
And then we have this little sub
movement where there's like the

534
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,200
covenant's renewed, all the
people are like contrite,

535
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,160
there's tears, there's
rejoicing.

536
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,480
And then there is this major
failure where the Temple's

537
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,800
neglected, the walls design or
Torah's ignored.

538
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,240
And it kind of ends with him
pulling people's hair out.

539
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,160
That's a different kind of
laying on hands than we're used

540
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,280
to in the New Testament shirts.
I made that joke and killed.

541
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,280
And in fact, it was great.
He's like physically lit.

542
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,560
It's like, that's like so insane
that.

543
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,760
Is good.
And so you kind of zoom back and

544
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,480
you think, you know what, what's
the point of this?

545
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,280
What what are we to learn about
these books?

546
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,400
And there there's a lot.
This is not exhaustive, but a

547
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,680
few things that I tried to key
on was, you know, God's

548
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,840
sovereignty is throughout all of
this where he's like turning

549
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,840
King's hearts to like build a
temple.

550
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,080
They're giving money.
Hey, here's my bodyguards.

551
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,400
I want to make sure you're safe.
That's insane.

552
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,800
It points to human failures.
Even good humans who try hard,

553
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,200
Nehemiah, Ezra, don't want to
paint them as bad people.

554
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,080
They overall are painted very
positively.

555
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,960
We see God and his faithfulness
over and over, even when

556
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,680
humanity isn't.
And really, I think a big part

557
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,600
of it is political and social
reforms are good.

558
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,760
Like you want things to be good,
but they only can get you so

559
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,480
far.
You can have the city, the

560
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,840
temple, the word of God center.
And people don't do what they're

561
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,800
supposed to do because their
hearts aren't affected.

562
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,760
What Jeremiah wrote about what
they thought they were going to

563
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,760
get had not come yet.
And it just kind of just keeps

564
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:13,120
you in that anticipation more,
more and more as kind of that

565
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:15,240
Hebrew Bible kind of comes to
the end.

566
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,120
So I'm sure in the future, we'll
talk about Jeremiah 30 when

567
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:20,080
we'll talk about Ezekiel 26.
Because they didn't just need a

568
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,600
new city and a new wall, new
temple, but they needed a new

569
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,160
heart.
And that's like what they didn't

570
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,320
have.
That's good.

571
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,280
So just looking over your
timeline.

572
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,840
So if you look at the Bible,
like Esther comes last after

573
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:39,000
these two books, but on the
timeline, you have some of the

574
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:45,600
events of these books happening
before Esther and then Esther

575
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,440
happening.
Because this is, I only ask

576
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,520
because this has always been a
confusing thing to me because

577
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,560
there's this there's this line
that talks about the Queen

578
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,560
Mother kind of helping.
And I've always wondered, is

579
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,360
that Esther, or is Esther
somehow having an influence

580
00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:03,040
because of her position to help
get some of the stuff going?

581
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,440
Maybe we'll I'm blanking a
little bit.

582
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,440
Maybe we'll come across it
because there is like a part

583
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,760
where they are in whatever says
whatever.

584
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,640
Yeah.
And and there is a lot of maybe

585
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,840
we this be a separate spinoff
where we can address it.

586
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,800
Kings are This is where critics
of the Bible will point to this

587
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,240
section and be like King
Artaxerxes What or ah, Jesus or

588
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,200
whatever.
And, and a lot of them a.

589
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,960
Hazarous yeah.
Are like, you know, are these

590
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,560
titles or these specific people?
Can you have like a hazardous

591
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,600
was a title and there's like 3A
hazardous, you know, And so the

592
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,520
timeline is a little bit funky
and we might want to deep dive

593
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,960
on it because, you know, I've
looked at it and it's like air,

594
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,080
you know, there's different ways
to reconcile it, but it's not

595
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,920
for the faint of heart.
And there is trickery where it's

596
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,120
like, oh, is Arctic Zercy's
here?

597
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,200
Or was this just a title that
could have applied to like 5

598
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,480
different kings?
You know what I mean?

599
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,160
So it could be like more than
one Caesar.

600
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,920
Or.
More than one czar.

601
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,680
That that's the thing.
So that might be something to

602
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,720
look at.
If you look at my notes, we're

603
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,760
not going to go through my
notes.

604
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,240
If you scroll, I don't know how
I have like maybe 60 pages

605
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,520
because I did like a 15 week
series on this that we're not

606
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,120
going to do on the podcast.
And a lot of it is text that I

607
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,720
would just like copy in here and
we can and I have summaries of

608
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,480
the text.
So I I'm trying to parse it down

609
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,600
to what's like manageable
because I'm, I love this series,

610
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,000
but I know our listeners
probably don't want 20 episodes

611
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,440
on Ezra Nehemiah.
I mean, let us know if you want

612
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,920
us to go, you know, in the, the
very deep deep dive.

613
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,800
I mean, we've got the material
here to do it.

614
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,520
And what we'll we'll see what
happens.

615
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,800
But my vision, this is like the
intro episode.

616
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,480
We can at least have one episode
for each different movement.

617
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,240
Nehemiah has a lot to chew off
because that's like one

618
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,680
movement.
We might make that like one or

619
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,440
two or maybe there's a wrap up,
but probably 4 to 6 episodes.

620
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,280
We can, we can do it justice
without belaboring the point.

621
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,040
Cause one other thing I did
learn, if there's you wanna get,

622
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,640
you wanna work on your pride,
just read Ezra Nehemiah out loud

623
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,040
because it's like a bajillion
names and they're all hard to

624
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,760
pronounce and you're just
reading Jewish names and it's,

625
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,720
it's great, you know, So
everyone's like, don't call on

626
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,520
me.
You know, I think there's

627
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:07,240
something like, well, so if you
look at a color for long enough,

628
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,800
you know, your eyes, that's a
chemical biochemical process and

629
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,880
your eyes get tired of that.
And, you know, you look away and

630
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,720
you see the opposite of that
because those those cones and

631
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,000
rods are are resting.
And it seems like whenever I

632
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,640
launch into a list of names.
Like.

633
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,000
For the 1st 20 seconds, I'm
good.

634
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,120
I'm like, man, I'm killing these
names.

635
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,280
And then it's like you're, it's
like the ability of your brain

636
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,800
to like, like see that brain,
that name and try to parse it

637
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,120
and come up.
It like gets tired and you're

638
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,080
like, I can't read any more of
these names.

639
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,600
It just like goes.
Goes over.

640
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,520
It's literally like 6 paragraph
straight of names.

641
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,920
You're like, is this a joke?
And it's actually Nehemiah will

642
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,680
repeat the list of names in Ezra
'cause they're like when Zuruba

643
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,520
will up to these people now, you
know, it's like just recounting

644
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,080
stuff.
What Ezra, Nehemiah does a great

645
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,600
job of is it'll go back and talk
about Moses.

646
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,600
It like recounts everything up
into the day where the people

647
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,200
have failed over and over and
over again.

648
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,080
One last thing I should know
just 'cause it's going to get

649
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,160
sources credit.
I love the ESB study Bibles

650
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,320
because it's easy.
I like it a lot.

651
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,600
They help me a lot with like
timelines.

652
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,520
That's what I realized was like.
They probably know what they're

653
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,040
talking about when I when I have
a trying to like figure it out

654
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,280
and I have to like just probably
get.

655
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,000
NASB study Bibles better, but
we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll defer

656
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,000
to these.
We'll let it slide because when

657
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,760
you do look at the kings and
stuff there is there, there are

658
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,360
10 different views of what could
have happened.

659
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,480
So some of that is like nailing
down the dates are off by four

660
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,920
or five years here and there.
I really like this series.

661
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,320
It's the new studies in Biblical
Theology.

662
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,920
It's like a series of like 40
books that the series editor is

663
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,520
DA Carson.
He had this big initiative for

664
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,080
biblical theology.
And they're like little books

665
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,760
that are like, they're not
superficial, but they're not

666
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,120
like overly academic, like
they're a little academic.

667
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,760
It's like a good sweet spot.
For they're not superficial, but

668
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,040
they are a little official.
Beautiful.

669
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,320
Yeah, I love it.
And I use that a lot.

670
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,880
And then I also, I, I like
listening to a Bible project a

671
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,440
lot with like Old Testament
contexts 'cause I think they're

672
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,160
good at setting.
What did a Jew think in this

673
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,440
time?
Should then you listen to Did

674
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,040
you say Bible?
Podcast, Sorry, Bible Project is

675
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,080
what I say 'cause I think
they're, I think they excel at

676
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,960
context.
I think they missed the mark

677
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,840
when they do some theology.
So I would not say, hey, go to

678
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,640
all your theology through them.
But I think when they're like,

679
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,360
oh, what was going on in this
time frame?

680
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,160
What, what kind of things would
they be thinking?

681
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,600
They're they're better at that
kind of thing.

682
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,480
Yeah, I I have listened to more
than one of their Bible book

683
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,800
overviews, and they do a good
job of even if I don't agree

684
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,040
with how they land on
everything, at least it gives

685
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,480
me, oh, here's at least how
someone else views this.

686
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:53,960
That's right.
Yeah.

687
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,600
And maybe I'm not gonna make it
as important as they do, but oh,

688
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,840
here's another facet of it.
'Cause I think that's where they

689
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,160
go wrong.
They know so much about Jewish

690
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,000
context and culture.
They might sometimes make that

691
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,080
the main thing.
And they're like, oh, they

692
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,400
would.
And it's like, oh, you're kind

693
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,440
of like deemphasizing and
overemphasizing.

694
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,400
But I think that that helps
paint.

695
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,240
Paint a picture for the so next
week we'll kind of get into

696
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,240
maybe the first half of Ezra
that first movements and just

697
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,840
take take it little by little.
Yeah, I'm excited to read it and

698
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,280
find out because both Ezra and
Nehemiah were in service to some

699
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,920
king, right?
Is that that's true or am I

700
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,360
crazy?
To to some king.

701
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:31,520
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK.

702
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,520
OK, yeah.
And Ezra and Nehemiah, same

703
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,080
king, observable, different
king.

704
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,120
So this is good all.
Right.

705
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:36,520
Good.
Good.

706
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,360
Yeah.
I mean, I have read these books

707
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:38,960
before.
Oh yeah.

708
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but like you said, they're

709
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,040
they're probably not the the
books that people would just go

710
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,160
to like, oh, I need to read
this.

711
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,280
It's again.
Yeah, it's.

712
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,320
Not that you know what I'm
saying.

713
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,200
Yeah.
Exactly, and it's like, you

714
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,080
know, probably don't want to
spend more time here than you do

715
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,080
in Romans, you know, but whole
council of God, it's great and I

716
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,040
think it is it has edifying.
So that's what I got out.

717
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,000
You got any parting words?
No, I'm good.

718
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,080
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