From Noah to Nations: Tracing the Table of Nations

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Babyface is here.
I I I'm trying to decide whether

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I launch into this 'cause I was
in a Dixieland band.

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And whoa.
Oh.

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Oh, Dixie, Wait a minute.
Dixieland Band.

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Is that what I said?
Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, you nailed it.
Yeah, I thought I said Dixie

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band land.
That'd be pretty.

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Funny.
Maybe you did.

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Maybe I did.
Yeah, and there's a song we

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played.
Babyface, Babyface.

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There you go.
I love my babyface.

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Baby, we just got, we just got
cancelled 'cause you said

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Dixieland, YouTube's censoring
us.

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We're shadow bands.
Oh, I didn't.

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Even think about that.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Well.

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No, I'm I'm just kidding, but.
I'll just say most of the

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Dixieland bands are not
Caucasian.

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There there.
You go, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So in New Orleans and stuff, so
you can go down there and they

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walk around clarinet and
sousaphone and, you know, string

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bass and stuff.
It's, it's all, it's all.

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It's really good.
Saxophones, trumpets.

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Saxophone that, that's what.
You want to talk about Dixieland

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music like hard hearted Hannah
Babyface?

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I listen.
To Maple Leaf Rag, I'm.

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I'm getting used to the clean
shaven look.

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You liking it?
I'm not really, I was kind of

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actually bummed.
I was like just trying to trim,

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trim up the like on the sides
and I over cut and then I was

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trying to even it out and then I
over cut and then and my goat

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just kept getting narrower and
narrower and it was looking

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pretty rough.
Yeah, and you were doing this on

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your own or Liam?
Was on on my own.

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That was probably my mistake.
But then I was like, Liam, does

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it look bad?
She's like, not that bad.

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But then the more I looked at
it, I was like, I'm just gonna

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shave it off.
The thing that hurts my heart

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the most is I've had I've had
multiple people be like, man,

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looks better that you shave it
off.

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I'm.
Like, oh.

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That's like so sad to.
Me.

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You know, I think maybe, you
know, if I were to say, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, probably somewhere
in the middle.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Not, not the excessive.

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Just let it go.
Yeah, when Duck Dynasty was all

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a rage, man, I was.
And I still feel like at some

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point in time I should just let
this thing go.

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November.
Yeah, well.

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For the Christmas play.
Yeah, but it doesn't really get

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that long if you already have
this.

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Yeah, just a month of growth
like this is probably, you know,

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I shave it down to like a 1 1/2.
This is probably a week and a

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half old.
So it's not going to get like,

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it's not going to get Duck
Dynasty proportions in a month.

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Hey, don't don't cut yourself
short, you know, just just go

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with it.
I am going to SO.

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What I hear you saying is I
should shave clean.

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Yes, at the start of November.
Yes, I'm going to keep myself

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queen shaving till November and
then I don't know, I'm not going

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to shave for a long time, so
then that.

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Will be like babyface.
I probably have, like, you know,

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some people who've I've had this
beard since, Yeah.

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A long time 20. 12/20/11 I don't
know, you know, some people have

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like weird like wrinkles and
stuff that like they don't.

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Even know what you'll look like.
Yeah, that's great.

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It'll be like a whole like shade
lighter has not like seen the

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sun, you know?
Like it'll be red because it's

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like the first part of sun will
make it like the lobster or

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something.
Yeah, yeah, there you go.

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So, you know, I'm getting used
to it.

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I I kind of like it, but I did
like, I just like the commitment

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of growing it out, you know what
I mean?

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It's like you really put some
effort into it.

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Yeah, and I don't think that you
were gonna keep it till a

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wedding.
That's in a couple days, right?

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Yeah, yeah, that's what I was.
That was the plan at least that

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long.
And it just felt like I

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accomplished something and I
don't.

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I just like think it looked
better, but it was like, man, I

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just like I loved, I loved it,
man.

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It's.
Great.

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What did Leanne think?
She she was actually encouraging

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me to keep it.
Yeah, that's, you know that is,

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you know, just listen to your
wife on I.

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Know, yeah, that's why should I
keep it going, you know?

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So maybe she just knows it keeps
me like unattractive to the rest

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of the world, you know what I
mean?

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Yeah, honey, keep it, keep it.
You know, and also you shouldn't

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like don't change your clothes
it's been 3 days whatever.

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It looks great.
Yeah, yeah.

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So I don't know We'll we'll see
we'll we'll have to but when,

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when it gets closer to we'll
have to really think about it.

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What's going to be tricky is we
record too much in advance

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right.
But if we talk about like no

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shave November, we'll be like in
December, like, hey, we're not

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going to shave, you know, so.
Yeah, it'll be January when it

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airs.
Yeah, that's gonna be good.

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I don't know, but yeah, what
what goes right along with clean

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shaven Yeah is talking about
people groups in the Bible.

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Oh.
That's good.

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That's good.
It's different, you know.

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Some some people groups Let's
roll the beard.

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Well, yeah, some people don't
that that's.

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Right, you know, so, you know,
all over the place and we can go

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back, you know, where, where
did, where did all the people

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come from?
You know, we can, we can kind of

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trace some of that.
This is the cotton eye, Joe.

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You know where they come from,
where they go, where.

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They there we go.
Yeah, that's exactly right.

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So not a Abraham episode.
It's slightly private.

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If Abraham says 12, we're not
going that far backwards from a

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numerical standpoint.
Yeah, we're we're what we'll be.

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We'll be in like 10 and 11:10
and 11:00.

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So we're right before 12.
So anyway, table of nations and

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people groups, let's take it to
the next level from the hearts

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of the Low Country in South
Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
You, you hear this phrase a lot,

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like, you know, and all goes
back to Adam.

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Yeah.
And that is true.

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But it really goes back to Noah.
But Noah, yeah, exactly where,

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you know, I feel like Noah
doesn't get any love.

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Like we're all related to Adam,
right?

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And we are.
But it's like people don't don't

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bring up Noah as much, you know?
Yeah.

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And yeah, I guess it is all Noah
or Noah's wife.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, actually, OK.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You do have to be this in a

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Noah, but you do get some like
so the son's wives, those are

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three different families.
Potentially, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah.
That's.

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True.
That's true, you know.

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That's a good point.
Yeah, but you have some gene,

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some genes coming in from those
other families.

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But yeah, and and unless you
have some Nephilim.

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Unless and what?
Yeah.

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And then?
Graph I am Jeans.

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You gotta be careful we can't
see it too many times where Clay

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will show up.
We don't want Clay might be like

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enjoying dinner with his family.
We don't want to like, pull him

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over.
Here.

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Unnecessarily, but what I like
about this episode, it's one of

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those maybe like big picture,
connect the dots like we're it's

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not about Abraham really at all,
but it kind of, you know, big

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picture and we'll talk about,
you know, where did Abraham

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descend from kind of look at
some of that, maybe understand

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Bible history, even understand
some of the conflicts we see in

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the Bible.
Some of these like are baked

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into some of these familial
lines.

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And even more global than that.
You see God's plan for

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redemption starting, right.
I mean, we get that glimpse up

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in Genesis 12, but but really
get some of the disorder that

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gets like revisited in the New
Testament, which is pretty,

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pretty cool.
You want to read Acts 17 verses

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26 and 27 because it kind of
talks about, you know, oh,

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mankind.
And He made from one man every

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nation of mankind, to live on
all the face of the earth,

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having determined allotted
periods and the boundaries of

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their dwelling place, that they
should see God, and perhaps feel

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their way toward Him and find
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Nice think you're talking about
Adam.

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Probably Adam.
Yeah, I was like, I was like, I

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feel like we had to say that
because we just made this big

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thing about Noah.
But you know, I don't want to.

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I don't want to like read the
wrong I.

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Mean it got it all got started
off with Adam.

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And that's right.
Yeah, that's right.

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We're not saying Adam, you know,
wasn't involved, but.

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And there were people between
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That's true that this would
apply to that.

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That would apply to exactly
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Well, let's let's set the stage.
Genesis 6 is the flood.

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We get past the flood.
Noah's there, three children,

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wives, this kind of thing.
We get.

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We get.
Explicitly told we can eat meat

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now.
A big deal.

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That's a big deal.
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Seasons.
But I think they're eating meat

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before then.
I do.

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But but but now it's like go for
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Eat meat, just not with the
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Stay stay away for that from
that from that blood.

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So if we were looking Genesis 12
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Genesis 10 is referred to as a
table of nations got a lot of

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genealogies.
Genesis 11 is the Tower of

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Babel.
And I think this can be

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confusing to people because it's
it's not in chronological order.

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You read it and and you're like,
why are we learning about people

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all being together after we read
about everyone's descendants

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before?
And that can be confusing.

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And I think it's another good
example.

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So is it like, hey, here are the
nations, here's how we got them?

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Exactly, exactly the reason.
It's like, you know, in our

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Western mind, that's not how we
would probably map things out.

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That's a good reminder in the
Bible.

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A lot of times it's thematically
or theologically or there

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there's there's usually a reason
if it's not like in every door

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or you're like, what's the
reason?

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I think, I think you're exactly
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simple as that.
That kind of talks about God's

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command to fill the earth out.
He's making, you know,

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everyone's going.
And then it talks about, you

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know, humanity's rebellion, that
they really wanted to be in one

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place and God's gonna, you know,
send them all over the world.

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So Michael's getting his Bible
out.

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You're ready to read.
I know you.

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You just hate reading these ESV
passages.

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You got to get it.
I wanted to be able to kind of

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glance at the whole thing, but
yeah, I'm happy to read from

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NASB as.
Well please do if you want to

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read Genesis 9 verse one going
back to Noah.

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And God bless Noah and his sons,
and said to them, be fruitful

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and multiply and fill the earth.
And if we're going to Fast

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forward to Genesis 1032, you
want to read that one as well.

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These are the families of the
sons of Noah, according to their

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genealogies by their nations,
and out of these the nations

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were separated on the earth
after the flood.

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So you, you kind of see these
kind of go together, be

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fruitful, multiply, fill the
earth.

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But then Genesis 11, we kind of
get this, this negative story of

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how God's kind of making this
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They said, Come, let us bind for
ourselves, build for ourselves a

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city and a tower whose top will
reach into the heaven, and let

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us make for ourselves a name,
otherwise we will be scattered

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abroad over the face of the
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Come, let us go down.
And they're confused their

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language, so that they will not
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of the whole earth, and they
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Therefore its name was called
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the Lord confused the language
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face of the whole earth.
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familiar, most of our listeners
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So so that's kind of what
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I love I love the name too.
I love, you know, with to

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translate stuff.
We got Ham, we got Shim and then

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we got Japheth and you kind of
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in and people groups and that
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At least, you know, broad
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I think it's interesting to kind
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So if we're looking at Ham's
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you maybe could label it
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know.
But you'll look at things like

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Cush, which would be like
Ethiopia, that kind of thing.

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Egypt's Canaan put that would be
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Amorites, Jabucites, Sidon, the
Canaanites, the this is

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generally where hams line
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We're talking maybe like Iraq

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over down to the eastern side,
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Yeah, I I would say to so and

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and when you read the Bible
about Cush a lot, I I think they

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that's almost really associated
with people with very, very dark

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skin.
I think there's like a verse in

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Jeremiah that's like, can a
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cushite the color of his skin?
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play on on like just how dark
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So I I think that's exactly
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And so we read about some of
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So we think Ham was really dark
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wife was really.
Dark skinned maybe that see, I

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would love to like see and I, I,
I don't know, those are good

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things to think about where
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least that genetic makeup was in
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So is it?
Is it reasonable to say if you

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have today darker skin like, you
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that side you you probably have
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Some $1,000,000 idea instead of
23andMe ham Yeah, 3 and me ham

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Shim and JPEG.
You're 23% ham.

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There's something.
There, you know, Yeah, yeah,

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yeah.
Yeah, this is like Ken Ham's

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probably on that.
He's probably like he's probably

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got that down.
But we see a lot of these people

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groups in the Bible through, you
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Philistines opposing Israel,
Canaanites driving, being driven

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out by Joshua.
And then interesting you, we

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hear this curse of ham a lot.
But a proper reading yes, makes

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it not Ham himself.
It's like 1 of Ham's sons.

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Yeah, exactly right.
And a lot of people would use

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like this.
This is like, hey, This is why

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slavery is good.
I'm going to use the Bible to

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justify this is the curse.
We're just like fulfilling God.

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So you're telling me people can
misinterpret the Bible?

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Yeah.
Yeah, and in a crazy bad way.

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It's like you can stand by this.
And you know, I'm trying to

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think like, I think I don't
think it went super far, but

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like there's notes in like the
Schofield Study Bible that talk

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about this in a pejorative way,
which you're like, that wasn't

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that long ago.
Like people in mitres growing up

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with like Schofield Study
Bible's the best.

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The ones they had I think had
this edited out by then, but it

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was like in it was in like
Schofield's original study

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Bible.
It was like that was kind of

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like one of the first premier
mainstream study Bibles.

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Yeah, I think that's good to
address that and get on the

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table that that that is a
misinterpretation of this.

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That was a curse to his son and
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And it doesn't say that's going
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descendants everywhere.
It says he said cursed be Kanan

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a servant of servant shall be to
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So he also said, blessed be the
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be his servant.
May God enlarge Japheth and let

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him dwell in the tents of Shem
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So, so there you go.
And I think, you know, you get,

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you get some color on this too,
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With so so Canaan probably, you
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about people groups and skin
tone, he would have the lighter

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skin of that because he went up
into the Israel and he was the

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cantonized, the Hittites, which
are not the dark, dark skin of

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Africa.
So it doesn't even fit the.

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That's so crazy that it gets
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And then, yeah, it's like all
these things kind of get

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changed.
So anyway that that is Ham's

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line.
Next Shim's line, which is where

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we get maybe some Eastern
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people groups.
Elam, that's Persia, Asher,

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Assyria, Arfac said.
The line maybe that led up to

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Abraham, Arum, Syrians, that
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And we see, you know, Messianic,
Messianic promise flowing

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through this line of Shim.
So Shim's line looking for the

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sins, you see them a lot.
A Latin stripper, right?

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Yeah.
So this would be like, if you're

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thinking visually, like the
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skin or mean dark, dark hair,
but maybe lighter olive skin.

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Like you, you think of like

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someone from Iran or maybe
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right.
But, you know, you have, like,

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you start moving over and then
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some really, really dark
pigmented folks and, like,

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wonder how those bridge the gap
because, you know, most of Asia

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they are.
They're lighter in tone, maybe

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darker, maybe darker than a
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Yeah.
Yeah.

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You know, it's just fascinating
how that all came about.

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And it is fascinating.
Like maybe people that just

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yeah, had darker melanin just
naturally did better a little

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farther S with the heat.
And I mean, it's, I mean, you

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know what I mean?
It's like those people maybe

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that stayed there and other
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I don't, I don't know.
It's it that is.

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And then there's been so many,
you know, war, all these things

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that move people groups and
these things, it's hard to hard

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to.
So then we've got Japheth, you

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know, maybe you're thinking
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We got like the Gomer people,
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Greeks really come from the
Javan line, Tuba, Meshech,

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Terasberry, common people groups
we've all heard of millions of

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times.
So we've read about the Greeks.

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You know, you go to the book of
Daniel Medes of Persian and

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Esther and Daniel as well,
Magog, Ezekiel, you know, that's

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like, you know, I love, you
know, this guy, Doug Wilson.

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I have heard of him.
From Moscow, ID his church is

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really big.
He's always getting interviewed

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by.
Just interview.

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Yeah, he's like very into
patriarchy and theonomy and

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these things.
He's got a blog very famous not

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his blog is called It's like GOG
and may blog.

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I don't it's like blog and yeah,
it's like it's a play on word

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with this somehow I don't know
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Is, but it's pretty funny, yeah.
So anyway, we read about this

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these people groups like we
mentioned in in Scripture and

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then as you, you know, go
throughout, it's interesting

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just to think we've talked about
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Moabites, the Ammonites, those
come from Lot Sun, so that Shim

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line, but they're like little
you see the little offshoots of

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all these different people.
So it's not like, Shim, all of

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your people are going to be
blessed.

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That's like not, that's not how
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Like, Messiah comes through
Shim's line, but there's a lot

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of people that come through
Shim's line that don't do the

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right thing.
Right.

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And so Europeans are probably
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Probably, yeah.
I I think so, yeah.

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Yeah, OK.
Very interesting.

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And then, you know, eat them
from Esau's line, but also comes

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through shims.
And, you know, then we see, you

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know, a lot of these other
Philistines.

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Would have been from Japheth's
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Yeah, I did this say.
Well, my understanding is

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Gilstein's were like from around
like Crete or the the Greek

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islands or somewhere around
there maybe Turkey.

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Yeah, and they kind of came on,
came on over going really

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global, big picture.
What's really cool is and, and

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Clay I think made this on one of
his pockets, made this

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connection.
Acts 2 you can connect to the

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table of nations and it's almost
like verbatim the same regions.

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And these are the 70 different
areas, yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.
It almost lines up like really

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perfectly, which is it's pretty
incredible, where Pentecost is

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like the undoing of the table of
nations, where they're separate,

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bringing the Gospels, going to
everyone.

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No, that's good.
Yeah, 'cause just recall that

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one.
We.

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It seems as though perhaps these
different geographical areas had

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some type of watcher assigned to
them, maybe one good, one bad.

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Yeah, we get that from Daniel,
where talks about, you know, the

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Prince of Persia delaying, you
know, the messenger and Michael

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the Archangel having to go over
there and and free him.

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And so we we're just kind of
grasping at the bread crumbs

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there.
But you know, if there was a

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splintering and then all that is
reunited under 1, you know, the

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the Prince of Peace, the King of
Israel, Jesus, and like we see

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in Acts 2, like, OK, now this is
all his.

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It's all his Yeah.
It speaks to God's sovereignty,

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God's hand in history.
You see, it's precise, it's

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purposeful.
You see this big major bookend

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connections that the Gospels for
every tribe, tongue and nation.

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It's not, you know, you could
look at this and be like, you

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know, what the heck?
It's like ham gets cursed.

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Curse of Ham, which we debunk
not a thing.

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It's curse of Canaan.
And it's not like these

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Canaanites didn't bring this
judgment.

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On themselves we talked about
with Abraham Anyway, it's like

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they were, you know, living,
living in sin.

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But how God works all these
things together.

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I see you flipping that Bible.
What are you looking for?

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I'm looking for this place
because we just saying is worthy

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and it quotes from Revelation 5.
And this is one of my favorite

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lines.
I get a little emotional reading

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it, thinking about it, singing
it.

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But this is Revelation 59 and it
says and they sang a new song

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saying, 'cause this is after
there's a scroll, just kind of

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back up a little bit just to put
people in John there and like no

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one can open the scroll.
Who's worthy to open the scroll?

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And they find one who looks like
a lamb who's been slain, the

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lion of Judah.
And he is able to take the

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scroll and open it.
And when he does that, it says,

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and they sing a new song that
says, worthy are you to take the

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book and break its seals, for
you were slain and purchase for

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God with your blood men from
every tribe and tongue and

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people and nations, and you have
made them a Kingdom and priest

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to our God, and they will reign
upon the earth.

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And then there's places where it
talks about all of the people

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like singing together like this,
this choir of all the people

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together.
So I just think it's a great

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picture of, you know, the
diversity that we have in

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humanity, different cultures,
different, you know, looks

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different, you know, abilities
and, you know, traits and stuff.

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But God's redeeming some from
all of those and we are going to

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be 1 bride for him in the
future.

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Yeah, it's it's amazing.
I love.

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And in Revelation 7, where it's
kind of similar to what you

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00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:55,800
read, it's like there's a
multitude.

447
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,480
No one could number like it,
just like endless.

448
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,800
And I like that.
So we look to the future and

449
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,560
that that's the trajectory of
where everything's going.

450
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,080
We see like kind of where things
started in the table of nations

451
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,920
and the Tower of Babel and
things get all dispersed.

452
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,920
And then Acts 2 was kind of like
that already.

453
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,520
Not yet.
So but we're not, we're not

454
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,000
total revelation.
That's a good trajectory.

455
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,000
We, we want to, it's going to be
imperfect, but it's like, man,

456
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,080
that, that is really, really
cool.

457
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,760
Just all the unity and
diversity.

458
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,520
Because you look at the other
side of it, Galatians 3, there's

459
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,080
neither Jew nor Greek, there's
neither slave nor free.

460
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,560
There's no male and female for
you all, all you are all one in

461
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,960
Christ.
Nothing brings you that merit.

462
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,080
So you know, number one, I, I
was in this, I was looking to

463
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,080
talk one time I was really good
and it was about culture.

464
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,720
And it was saying culture is
really important.

465
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,400
But you know, Christ that that's
number one point.

466
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,000
If your culture does not line up
with Christ and every culture's

467
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,760
got its things that don't line
up with scripture.

468
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,480
That's number one thing.
Culture's important, but it's

469
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,640
like a, a a secondary thing and
it's kind of that's AI think

470
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:06,320
tough to, you know, find the
where, where it is.

471
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,960
Culture may make sense and fit
in, but this passage is great

472
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,160
because nothing, nothing merits
your salvation.

473
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,600
But at the same time, Paul's got
a lot to say about, you know,

474
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,160
male and female.
We wouldn't say it obliterates

475
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,400
these differences.
You know what I'm saying?

476
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,800
You can read it too far.
It's like, so if we're saying

477
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,240
there is a difference between
male and female, not and how it

478
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,880
merits your salvation, but there
is a difference, Paul's

479
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,800
presumably saying June or Greek.
There are good differences there

480
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:31,760
too.
We're not saying you have to

481
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,200
obliterate those differences.
Right, yeah, I I think it would

482
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:39,240
be a mistake to say we become
that that the the best solution

483
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,720
is 1 emulsified culture across
all the earth.

484
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,960
And it should be fill in the
blank, this culture, because

485
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,920
different cultures have
strengths and weaknesses.

486
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,320
And, you know, just like the
gifts, you know, the gifts are

487
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,360
handed out different strengths
and weaknesses.

488
00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:58,640
You know, You know, when
something goes wrong, I'm always

489
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,400
trying to figure out how do we
prevent this from happening

490
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,440
again?
That's good.

491
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,360
Yeah, Right.
Right.

492
00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:04,640
May not be good in the moment
when someone's just dropped

493
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,200
something.
I'm like, OK, this is what

494
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:06,840
happened.
Wrong.

495
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,520
Don't do this again.
You know this fix.

496
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,360
It.
But you might need someone with

497
00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:12,560
the gift of mercy to come.
On and say yeah.

498
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,440
In the same way with different
cultures, you.

499
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,200
Know.
And there could be there can be

500
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,600
bad.
Cultures and and there can be

501
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,400
bad cultures or a lot, a lot of
it is is bad.

502
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,880
I think it's it's easy to maybe
be blind to some things in your

503
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,080
own culture and it's easy to
it's just like with anything

504
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,560
else, it's easy to see, you
know, the other person's faults

505
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,680
really easily.
And even in this is not what

506
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,480
this is necessarily about, but
even the the neither slave nor

507
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,680
free, you know, not talking
about chattel slavery, but maybe

508
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,800
an industry.
There's in hierarchy might be

509
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,040
the right word, wrong word, but
an order.

510
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:44,640
There's like an ordering in
society and that does reflect

511
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,880
God too.
Not saying everything's always

512
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,800
just, but there are like gifting
different roles.

513
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,280
Some people are are kings and
some people aren't and.

514
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:54,800
Some people are employees, some
people are employers.

515
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,120
You could use the same same type
of division for like a

516
00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:00,800
capitalistic society which is
different than their society

517
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,240
back then you.
Know, I, I, I think that that's

518
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,280
exactly right.
So anyway, I, I think it's

519
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,880
interesting as we're talking
about Abraham to think about,

520
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,840
you know, leading up to Abraham
and all, you know, and it's even

521
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,200
even interesting how Abraham's
journey and geography and that

522
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,520
kind of thing to consider
Genesis 10, consider Genesis 11,

523
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,480
maybe read Acts 2.
It'd be Michael Heizer does have

524
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:30,160
a talk where he brings this up
and he does a good job of like

525
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,960
mapping those things together.
Like it says this here, it says

526
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,280
this here, this is how they're
the same.

527
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,680
And it's like perfect.
And you can really see how

528
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:44,920
Pentecost does just overlap that
table of nations so, so well.

529
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,400
So anyway, I like those big
picture connecting the dots, you

530
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,040
know, something, something to
think about.

531
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,400
No, that's good.
Very good, Very good.

532
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,640
And it's part of the it's
probably, you know, we last

533
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,280
Tuesday's episode was on Abraham
and Isaac.

534
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,320
Yeah, you probably have that if
you if you're in the church

535
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,600
scene.
Yeah, you probably had that as a

536
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,160
Sunday school lesson multiple
times.

537
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,200
That's right, yeah.
You probably didn't have table

538
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,240
on nations as a Sunday school
lesson.

539
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,840
Yeah, that's true that that's a
good point.

540
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,400
And it's one of those when
you're doing your Bible reading,

541
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,800
it's easy to kind of like.
Why ISIS here just.

542
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,960
OK, I've got to.
I'm skipping through this, but

543
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,960
in the light it's like, and you
might think that, but in the

544
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,400
light of the connection facts,
she's like, wow, all these

545
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,600
details.
That's pretty, pretty cool that

546
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,360
they the right Moses didn't just
leave it at Shem Ham Japheth,

547
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,440
but he actually like broke down
this kind of stuff even more.

548
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,640
And I think it's a bigger maybe
we can do a hopefully this would

549
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,440
not be a boring podcast, but do
a podcast on genealogies because

550
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,280
I think, you know, most of the
time when genealogies are in

551
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,680
scripture, it's not just for
nothing.

552
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,360
A lot of times there's a feel
logical emphasis on top of the

553
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:52,160
historical.
Emphasis if you read the names.

554
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,160
It was an elaborate plan to get.
I want you to repeat it as your

555
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,800
name.
I just you're always reading

556
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,480
names.
That's great.

557
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,720
But it it'd be interesting to
take just genealogies and and

558
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,880
see like, OK, what's the
emphasis here?

559
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,360
Like, why are we skipping these
people but not these people?

560
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:10,800
Like what's the author?
Like, why are we even doing

561
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:11,800
this?
And usually there's a good

562
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,600
reason.
We should ask Jonathan White,

563
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,280
but this would be a good test
for him.

564
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,200
And, and because when I was his
youth group leader, we went

565
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,720
through the genealogy of Christ.
And if there was anything at all

566
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,680
to say about someone, we had
like a lesson or, you know, to.

567
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,800
So we talked about Adam and we
went through that and we just

568
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,640
went from Adam all the way to
Christ, the different ones.

569
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,400
And of course you get a lot of
ones in the middle that you

570
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,880
don't have really anything to
say about because all you have

571
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,880
is their name, but they're all
the ones that we'd had something

572
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,760
to say about.
We talked about, you know, David

573
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,360
and Solomon and you know, Judah
and all the ones in between.

574
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,840
Jesse.
Yeah, that that is really good

575
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,680
because those are the parts of
Scripture which it is easy to be

576
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,880
like we got, you know, we're
just going to zoom through all

577
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,200
these, but they're they're in
there for a reason.

578
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,640
I don't know how many more
Abraham adjacent ones.

579
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,120
I think I got one more.
It's it's pretty adjacent, but

580
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:07,480
we're going to we can connect
it.

581
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,280
OK.
It's not adjacent.

582
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,080
It's cattywampus.
It's cute.

583
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,640
It's diagonal too.
That's.

584
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:13,960
Right.
Yeah.

585
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,040
We need to keep getting words
that farther and far the way,

586
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,480
then maybe we'll totally wrap
up.

587
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,680
I'm trying to think of anything
I can.

588
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,800
I like having a nice series.
I've got like a few ideas, but

589
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,840
they're just quick hitters
disconnected, you know?

590
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,440
Sure, we can have some mini
series.

591
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,240
So yeah, anyway, that's all I
got on this one.

592
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,200
You got anything you want to
add?

593
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,680
No, I think that's good.
All right, that's our take.

594
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,800
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595
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596
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