Listener Questions: Church, Prayer, and Idolatry

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Oh, there you go.
Put some respect.

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Yeah, respect where it's due,
you know what I'm saying?

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That's right.
I paid enough money for that,

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you know.
Yeah, so you're in the

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healthcare community, right?
Something like that, yeah.

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And like, did you have to take
the Hippocratic Oath?

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Yeah, we did like a white coat
ceremony and we'd say stuff I

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don't.
Yeah, you know.

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So would going to work while
you're sick with that?

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How?
How does that fit into the whole

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Hippocratic Oath?
I am gonna invoke my 5th

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Amendment right.
I played the 5th, you know,

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it's, it's so tough and sick.
I don't even know what sickness

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means, 'cause I'm one of those
people.

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I I refuse to get sick even if
I'm not feeling great.

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Well, I noticed the last time I
recorded you had like one of

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those little.
Oh, yeah, like turmeric or one

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of these things.
Yeah, I don't know.

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It's like one of these health
things.

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It seems like there's been a lot
of low level things that just

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keep going around.
To me, it's like you feel great

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and then you don't feel great
and you feel great.

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I don't, I don't know if it's
pollen or it's like the

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chemtrails or something.
Yeah.

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It's it's and it's like all my
kid, like we've all been like

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mildly sick.
And it all culminated my on my

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birthday.
On my birthday, I tested

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positive for strep throat Sunday
morning.

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We just see paid you.
You got over the contagious.

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Correct.
Yeah.

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Once you're on antibiotics, 24
hours, no symptoms or symptoms

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are improving and no fever,
you're not supposed to be

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contagious.
So I'm past that but.

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So you're just working through
the pain was really working.

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Through the pain and the problem
was I had strep for 'cause I

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don't get sick and strep is so
weird to get.

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I was like, I'm not middle
school.

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I just.
Get strep once a year and then I

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started sleeping on the cpap and
I don't get anymore.

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Really.
Yeah, that's maybe what I need.

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Maybe I'm 'cause I, I think
maybe like if it was pollen plus

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kind of like mouth breathing
type of thing, then I, I would

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just, you know, get that
posterior drip and stuff, nasal

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drip.
And a part of me was like.

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Post nasal drip.
I did not like I I start feeling

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terrible.
I was running like a fever on

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Friday, but I was like, normally
I kick things, but I kept

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sitting around.
I didn't get tested till Sunday.

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I was like, I probably got VMX
earlier.

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So I was like struggling with it
for no reason.

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But that week I was like, oh, I
had, I didn't really have a

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major dental procedure, but I
had like a crown put back on,

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got a tattoo.
I was like, OK, I was.

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I was like, maybe I'm just run
down from like these things, you

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know what I mean?
Yeah, I also wondered about the

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tattoo like 'cause I I heard
that a a tattoo might have

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systemic like maybe make your
body because it is dealing with

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like some heavier.
And so it's really an open

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wound.
It's it's some people will say

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like, oh, you get the tattoo flu
or something like that's like a

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thing that some people aren't no
to be broken.

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'Cause I I think I did get like
a little bit, I was like a.

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Little because people say you
might run a fever like a low

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grade fever or feel bad for like
a day or two depending on what

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it is.
And it's like, you know, there's

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nothing like, you know, 700 year
old stamps getting, you know,

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you know, it's just, it's just a
place.

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It was like very crowded.
Yeah, yeah.

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Just, you know, a place.
I'm.

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I'm sure they take all the
precautions, but you know.

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Yeah, and just while we're
talking about your health.

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Oh, there's more.
Sleeping guard, right?

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Night Guard.
Yeah, Yeah.

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Yeah.
Oh, goodness.

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Yeah, Yeah.
Oh, my goodness.

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I So I was gonna.
Maybe Jill knows this.

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Maybe you know this like so my
crown came out an hour later.

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Thanks a lot, Jonathan White.
I blame you.

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I'm just kidding.
I blame myself.

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Got to put in great two weeks
later, maybe not even not even

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2, maybe 2.
Almost two weeks of.

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The day Is that two weeks of the
day?

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Yeah.
Yeah, I slipped in the night

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guard two weeks, nothing.
I took out my night guard.

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The crown comes out with because
the night guard's on there tight

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and I'm like, so bummed.
I got Google stuff and people

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are like, well, when you get a
new crown, you're not supposed

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to.
It's like you need to get your

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night guard like refitted and
stuff.

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But I was like, it's the same
crown.

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Same crown, same crown,
presumably the same location.

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I guess maybe it could sit a
little bit higher.

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Maybe it was slightly something
was different.

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I asked, I went to a different
dentist because they had better

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hours and I was like, should I
not wear the night card?

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And they were like, no, you need
to wear the night card.

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They like went in and like
opened it up a little bit right

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in that place.
Yeah.

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I'm like, I have not slept with
the night guards.

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I I should try it because I
sleep better because I do grab

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my teeth are.
Your teeth sore in the morning?

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Yeah, I my my jaw like.
I need I probably should get a

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night.
Guard I sleep way better, Leanne

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says.
I don't like snore.

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You know that kind of thing when
I have the night guard it is

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better, but I'm I don't want to
RIP this thing out again.

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It's like so demoral and and I
should set the I should set the

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I I don't make the rules, but I
mean now now our later is my

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fault.
So the whole thing started my

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fault.
That was on a Sunday.

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And then it was Sunday morning.
I woke up, took it out.

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I was like, I don't have my
crown.

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You.
Didn't know where it was at

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first, right?
No, I was like, I was, I was

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like, I was like it like, you
know, it like washing my face

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and stuff in the sink wherever.
And I was like, I'm like, oh,

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I'm like, I'm missing it.
Liam's like, isn't it the bed?

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Get it out of the bed.
Like, you know, like and I but

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it was my mouth guard.
Yeah.

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So I don't know.
You're about to say something

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about missing my Sunday school
or something.

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I'm missing church left and
right, like I'm barely.

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I think my membership's getting
revoked.

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Definitely your leadership.
It's brutal.

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So I'm, but I, I was really,
really missing church on Sunday.

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AX is strep throat too.
It's like, what's going on?

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So now, now I'm now I should be
like good to go for like the

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next 10 years.
I've got all my.

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We cut it all out.
I usually don't miss stuff

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either.
And I like secretly judge people

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that are like they miss church
because they're sick and stuff.

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I'm like, who gets sick?
That's what I get, you know, to

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go.
Sickness is a real thing.

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I would have called out of work
today except for the day is

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September 30th, the day we're
recording.

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Not the day you're listening,
but the day we're recording.

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Is that what's the importance?
Well, it's the.

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Last day of the fiscal year.
Yeah.

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Oh yeah.
And starting two weeks, the last

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two, two or three weeks of
September, we put all of our

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time in especially for us
because we're Navy working

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capital, which means that we
don't get funded directly by

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Congress.
So we get money from other

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people who get funded by
Congress and we're not supposed

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to, we're not supposed to make a
profit.

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So we're trying to balance
everything out and give any

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money back that we, we're not
going to use.

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So they want us to put all of
our time in.

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And so like they're trying to
get it down, not to the penny.

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Like it's OK if we have a little
bit, but you know, taking 8

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hours off when you were there
planning on you charging, It's

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like, so I was like I just, I
just kind of pushed through, but

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I was like, I don't know if it's
the barometric pressure dropping

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or what, but I just did not feel
the bestest this this morning

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so.
Yeah, part of the military

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industrial complex, huh?
You just love to see us go to

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war, don't you, Michael?
Get paid by the.

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I'm just.
Kidding.

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No.
It's our job to be so good that

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people don't want to go to war
with us.

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OK, All right.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, no, Yeah.

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You know, it's, it's been, it's
been brutal out there.

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I love like, so I'm my role with
the company I work for is in

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operations and I have, I work
closely with our sales team and

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boy, end of the quarter those
sales start to pick up.

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Everyone's getting their sales
and it's like like magic.

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We're trying to hit our numbers
and sales look really good the

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last week, you know, so it's
it's just like you.

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Think there's more effort being.
Given, Oh yeah, people are

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trying to either hit their
quotas or like get eligible for

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bonuses or whatever and they're
just like, dude, it's.

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Like why don't you do it all the
time?

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I know it's like, would it?
What would happen if you did it

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all the time?
Yeah, I I always wonder how that

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works because it's like they're
always like hitting me up like

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Zach, let's try to get this case
admitted.

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We need to get it if we get
admitted councils like even if

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what if it doesn't get emitted
until tomorrow, it starts for

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next.
I mean, I know it's you missed

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it this time, but it's like it
gets you ahead of the game for

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next time or it's like it should
kind of always.

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I don't know.
I don't know how that works, but

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it's like without fail end of
the month in the quarter we.

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Just do think different than
normal people dude.

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Yeah, sorry.
It's a sorry for all the

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salesman out there that just
heard me say that, but the the

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they think different.
It, it is, it is a whole

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different world, like feast or
famine.

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And it's, it's like just, you
know, crazy listener questions.

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Yeah.
What's the Segway?

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How do we How do we make this?
I don't know, but we do have

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some listener questions.
It's great, love it.

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And I've thought about maybe
like, ginning up some faux

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listener questions like because
yeah, yeah, you know, just like,

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hey, these are listener
questions, but these are like,

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legitimate.
Legit.

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Yeah.
Listener questions.

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And so if you have listener
questions, in fact, I did get a

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question, maybe we can tack on
the end from I love it, reformed

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MD.
Oh, cool.

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Probably about mental knowledge.
So if we have time, we can maybe

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at least banter it around.
I love it.

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These are good because they're
very, very practical.

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So yeah, let's, let's not
belabor it.

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Let's go ahead and take it to
the next level from the hearts

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of the low country in South
Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
Q and.

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AQ and A.
I'll throw AQ your way.

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And I'll come up with an A
maybe.

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Come up with an A very practical
and I think it sits nicely.

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It wasn't too long ago we did
this church series.

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Clearly we talked about the
different, you know, parts of a

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church and the fact like what?
What's the goal?

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We spent some time very positive
people should go to church, but

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is going to church like a must
do?

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And that might be a loaded
question that needs some nuance

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and, you know, qualify it, but
you know, is.

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It a must to be saved, no?
Yeah.

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Yeah, that's the distinction,
yeah.

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And I, I think there's lots of
times that that we grew up with

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people and they'd be like, just
go to church, just go to church.

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Like going to church is the
magic antidote for someone who's

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headed to hell.
The church can't in and of

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itself can't save you.
So salvation is by faith through

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grace, by grace through faith in
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That said, we're commanded to
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So you can imagine that you're
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forsaken country like Maine
where there's no churches or

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something like that, right?
I don't think Maine is that bad.

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I think like maybe Massachusetts
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Not a lot of churches or.
Catholic, I mean, I don't know,

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like probably, probably very
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Baptist is the best, but a
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Like, you know, Greenville, SC.
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Yeah, when Jill and I came here,
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some of them one week, some for
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we're just trying to, we're just
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but there's some places where
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like, there are no good churches
and that you try to find some

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believers and do the best you
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But under normal circumstances,
yeah, you should find a good

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church that is preaching the
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Yeah, that's.
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One of the good One of the
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Speaking of us going for looking
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a church where it seemed like
people were genuine and it

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wasn't for show and that they
were really concerned about the

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Bible and there were churches
that we would go to and it just

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seemed like it was more
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I want people who are genuinely.

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So that's why I would say is
find people who they're not

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going to be perfect.
There's there's going to be

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faults, but who are at least.
Yeah, yeah, that I think that's

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good.
And it really kind of smacks our

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culture in the our church
evangelical culture in the face

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where I think people do they
think church is a good thing to

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do, not a must do.
They probably tie it to you

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don't have to be safe to go to
church, but they have like a low

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view of church to where it's
like, oh, just watch it on, you

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know, we'll just live stream.
Like they, they don't get that

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connectivity.
And it's like, that's one thing

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that I think I can appreciate.
I'm not saying, you know, not a

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more Catholicism, but some of
these high church views, We

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probably should have a higher
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means of grace that, you know,
it's not like mystical and

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magical, but God works through
this And it's a very it's an not

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easy, but it's an easy way to be
reminded of the gospel through

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fellowship, through the Lord's
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It's like it just hits you in
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really good to be forced to
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Again, I think that's good.
And a couple of points.

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Oh, make so you're wearing, I
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shirt.
Let's just pretend.

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I know it'll be hard to match,
but let's just pretend like

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there was a very egotistical
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right now and he was like, I've
been doing this for years.

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I know the plays, I know how I'm
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I'm going to practice by myself.
Y'all figure it out.

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Like, no, you can't do that.
You've got like you.

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There is something about getting
together, rubbing shoulders and,

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you know, coming together as a
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Yeah, that's so good.
You see that in so many facets

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of life, whether it's sports or
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commanding the same thing for

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the spiritual aspect of your
life, Like you need to be on a

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spiritual team together, but
that also like you're never

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going to learn how to forgive
people or how to, you know,

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think, oh, I need to go ask for
forgiveness myself or all the

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one anothers to care for one
other other stuff.

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If you're not there, present
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not going to have that
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context.
I I love that so much.

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Yeah, you can't.
It's one thing to know that you

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should forgive.
It's another thing to

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experientially forgive someone
that's like a whole, that's a,

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that is a different thing.
And it's one thing you can know

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all the right things.
But man, being forced to, it's

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great.
You've heard these from our

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church podcast, but we'll hit
some of this Hebrews 10/20/24

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through 25.
Do not neglect to meet together,

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as is the habit of some, but
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You know, it calls us to stir
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This is where we do in the.
That's how you make these

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relationships.
And maybe they, you know, stem

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outside of a Sunday morning
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But the church, it's important.
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Acts 242 has four building
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The word prayer.
We we say worship at our church

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a lot.
It's the exaltation of Christ.

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It's but you know, literally
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and fellowship is there and
they're not in that order.

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I think fellowship is like
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dedicated themselves to apostles
teaching to fellowship, the

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breaking of bread and prayer in
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So fellowship is very important.
So we see it's commanded.

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It does nourish our faith in a
way that you just can't.

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You don't get that on your own
when you hear the word of God

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preached when you participate in
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it's that's another one.
We'll press you to a podcast on

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it at some point too, 'cause I
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it's like just not held in high
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It's like something you do.
But I think we missed the

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importance of it.
I, I grew up in a church.

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We did it like once 1/4 on a
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Like if you, you could like not
do the Lord's Supper pretty

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often, but but these things are
important.

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It protects us from sin and
drifting by having some

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accountability.
Like you were saying, Michael,

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these one anothers, you use your
gifts to team.

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Everyone's got different skill
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It's like we know we win the
game, but we still need to show

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up to practice.
We still need to.

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There's a means like we got to
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thing God uses us to and even
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fixed.
Yeah, one of your favorite

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verses bodily discipline bad.
That's good.

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But you know what's what is the
how's it end?

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The basically spiritual
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better.
How are you going to do

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spiritual disciplines if you're
not in, you know, rubbing

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shoulders with the brothers and
the sisters of of Christ?

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So with that being said, I, I
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talking to someone who professed
faith and they were not going to

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church, I, I would be concerned
for them.

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Like, man, it's like, I'm not
saying you're not saved, but I'm

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saying you are missing out on a
lot.

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And, and maybe you're not saying
that you know, you don't have it

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as I mean, I notice there's a
great reason like you said,

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like, oh, I live 80 miles from
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I don't, I'm in Afghanistan.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like there, there's some
reasons, you know, we could

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probably, you know, have more
leeway than like, I live in the

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holy city.
Charleston.

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Probably not the best.
Excuse.

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I'm just thinking that, you
know, in the upper Room

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discourse, Jesus says that the
world's going to know that

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you're mine by your love for one
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So that's another like.
Yeah, that's really if.

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You're going to display the love
and be that testimony of the

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world, like, hey, we're living
different than everyone else.

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Then you kind of have to be in
around believers and and and

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show that love.
No, that that that is good.

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So that that's question 1 is
going to church must do Question

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2 also really good question.
Prayer isn't prayer just like

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meditation or you know, when we
think of maybe brought more

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broadly churches that kind of
like going to prayer, I guess

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going to a boxing club that's
repetitive.

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There's an outlet.
You're doing it in the context

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of community.
You know what, what's the

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difference?
Because I think you would, you

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know, you'll hear people like,
man, I found my church kind

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like, you know, they'll even
like use that phrase.

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I know in my neighborhood, we
talk about what we do Frisbees

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Saturday mornings, like our
neighborhood like loves that

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because it's like a way to
connect with people habitually.

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You get.
To Is it only for neighborhood

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people?
No, no, no, any anyone can come.

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But people are like, man, this.
Is I, I, Every time I drive

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there, I'm like, I want to get
back in shape so I can play

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because some of my favorite
sports memories were playing

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ultimate Frisbee with my Navy
folks.

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He did that for two years, dude.
And there's There's no better

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feeling than sneaking past.
People.

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And just sprinting and running
in the air and snatching that.

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Oh baby.
It's great.

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And I'll tell you what, Frisbee
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community 'cause we probably
have four or five military, ex

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military that play with us that
are not from our neighborhood,

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but they're friends with people
and they're like, I played for

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two years, you know, when I was
in the military.

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It's a thing, you know, it's a
thing.

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Yeah.
And they're really good 'cause

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they, they have, they, they
played for like 2 years.

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Yeah.
But anyway, so.

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So isn't prayer kind of like
that, like meditations big in

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our culture?
Like what's the difference?

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And it is confusing 'cause I
think people who, you know, if

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you get to get their community
and exercise or you meditate,

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you probably see some benefits.
Yeah, you know what I mean?

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So it's like.
That was one of the points I was

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going to make because like just
separate prayer apart from it.

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So as long as we're not adding
in anything bad.

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So like if you're meditating on
false ideas that you might get

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from Buddhism or something like
that, but just the act of

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stealing yourself, taking some
time.

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Especially in this culture.
In this culture, a lot of people

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talk about grounding, like, you
know, putting your feet on

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grass.
I know that, like when I go out

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hunting, I haven't been there in
a while.

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I think I might here in a little
bit.

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But just walking out in nature,
even if you don't see a deer,

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like you're just watching
squirrels or something, just

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calms you and stuff.
So all those things do have a

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benefit.
To them, because we live this

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life that's go, go, go.
Go.

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So yeah, that that that's good.
So to like condense some of

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these similarities while you're
making and I don't want to get

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away.
Your point there is like this

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intentional focus you're setting
aside distraction, distractions.

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There is a discipline narrow
nature to it.

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There's repetition where you
have to set aside time.

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It does, you know, reshape your
disposition, shapes your heart,

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how you feel you're responding
to things in life.

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And it's usually, you know, some
of these, maybe boxing's not

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quiet reflective, but there's
some discipline where you're

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thinking about what you're doing
and.

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You kind of get in the zone.
Yeah, yeah.

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In this zone like this flow
state or whatever, there's

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attentiveness.
So anyway, you're making for,

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but there are these
similarities.

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Right.
And then then you add on to

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that, I get a chance for my soul
to commune.

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What?
The creator of the universe.

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Now, if you don't believe
there's a creator of the

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universe, then prayer is going
to seem silly to you.

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It will seem exactly like this.
So he'll be like, OK, I can just

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achieve all this stuff without
the fairy tale, you know, old

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man in the sky type of thing.
But if there is a God, which we

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you and I would say definitely
there is, and He longs to have a

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relationship with us, then why
wouldn't you take time out of

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your schedule to get all these
benefits from here and also to

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quiet yourself before the
Creator?

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Man.
Tim would also add, OK, so now

448
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,080
we can take some of this time
and maybe we go over some

449
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,240
Scripture head memories.
Psalm 23.

450
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,200
You're my shepherd.
Yeah, yeah.

451
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,840
Even though it seems like I want
some stuff I can trust that I

452
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,880
don't really want, I don't
really have a need that you

453
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,320
haven't met.
And if I feel like I have needs

454
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,440
that you haven't met, then maybe
that's a part on me.

455
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:04,800
So that's where we start
changing.

456
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:11,000
So yeah, prayer can be very
powerful in helping you daily,

457
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,920
you know, start setting your
track and align, tuning your

458
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,920
heart and your mind to God.
No, I, I like that.

459
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,840
So if we're thinking about we
talked about similarities,

460
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,240
thinking about how they're
different.

461
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,840
You, you said it prayer, you're
praying to someone.

462
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,480
It's a personal living God.
It's not about maybe self

463
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,040
soothing or you're not looking
inward, but you're working

464
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,920
outward and upward.
You're the goal of prayer is not

465
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,600
just emotional relief, but the
goal of prayer is God himself

466
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,160
like you're trying to commune
and.

467
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,000
But you might get it might be
cathartic.

468
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,040
But you also get some of that,
yes.

469
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,320
So so if you're looking at the
secular meditation usually

470
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,800
directed inward, maybe you have
like these mantras or like, you

471
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,440
know, I will love myself today
or you don't even have to say

472
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,440
that, but maybe some things like
that, or maybe it is outward,

473
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,200
but it's like at nature, like I
will be with this.

474
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,520
I'm not trying to be pejorative,
but you know, like the hippie

475
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,160
kind of thing, like all this
crass.

476
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,840
I pray for the you know, it gets
even people be like, thank you

477
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,600
ocean for you know what I mean?
Like it's like they're kind of

478
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,160
they're like not praying to God,
but you're.

479
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,360
Like, have you seen the video of
the people that go around and

480
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:20,240
they're lamenting this tree
that's that dead?

481
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,280
No, OK.
And they're let me show you this

482
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,480
video.
Because it's it is, it is crazy.

483
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,960
I cannot wait to see this video.
And then like you said,

484
00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:30,400
Christian meditation, you're
actually seeking to fill your

485
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,400
mind, not totally empty it with
everything.

486
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,800
Yeah, it might be initial.
It initial emptying of all the

487
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,920
busyness and stuff and then
we're going to fill it with with

488
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,680
the good stuff, yeah.
No, that, that is really good.

489
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:49,160
And when you think of things
like the power of prayer, we

490
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,000
believe and know there's a God
that hears you respond.

491
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,480
It's relational and it's
effectual because there is a

492
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,680
God, there is a career in the
universe.

493
00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:00,080
From a secular meditation
standpoint, you do get

494
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,080
psychological benefits, maybe
some physiological one too, like

495
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,760
you're slowing your breath, your
heart rates coming down.

496
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,320
Those things are real.
But that's kind of where where

497
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,000
it stops.
And you mentioned it too.

498
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,680
If you're setting your mind on
God's word, there is a

499
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,680
transformation.
There is a reorientation or

500
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,760
reshaping where you see things
different.

501
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,240
You're renewing your mind.
So you come out differently.

502
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,400
And I think maybe a lot of
Christians would do well to

503
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,000
practice that more stillness
side of it too, where you can

504
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,280
like I, that's what my guilt is.
I want to absorb all the

505
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,280
information I can, sometimes
more so than sorry.

506
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,360
I feel like I need to like, do
stuff.

507
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:42,840
Sometimes I'm like, it's good to
unplug, you know?

508
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,000
I have a 20 minute drive to work
and so I'm like listening to to

509
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,960
scripture and I'm praying and
I'm like, this is good, but it

510
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:58,840
could probably be better, right?
Yeah, honestly, I this might be

511
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,400
for most people, I think, and I
don't think you need to live and

512
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,840
die by a stopwatch, but pray for
5 minutes.

513
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,240
That can be a long time to pray,
especially if you're not guided

514
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,480
by scripture.
You're like there's nothing for

515
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,360
this day.
You're giving me hope to say to

516
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:17,280
go good, be with my family like
like you know you're.

517
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,640
Like at 20 seconds you're like,
I've said all the things I

518
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,840
normally say.
Yeah, where Scripture is good to

519
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,280
kind of have a balanced
perspective and pray for these

520
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:32,320
things and really just sit and
commune with God and listen, you

521
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,040
know, have your heart open to
listening to what the Word is

522
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,560
saying to you because yeah, it's
everything.

523
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,880
You know, productivity.
It's like I'm all about

524
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,720
productivity and I got to like
perform and metrics and and it's

525
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,480
like just so good to go, go
slow.

526
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,320
But it's surprising.
It's like surprisingly

527
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,320
challenging to do when you do it
and can really unplug it is

528
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,680
great.
It's just like, it's like you

529
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,400
just want, I just want to go,
go, go so much.

530
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,480
What, what happens to me is
I'll, I'll do, you know, have

531
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,040
that I mean, I will do this
every day.

532
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,680
And then I don't for like, you
know, you know, have that, you

533
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,120
know, set, you know, really,
really set a time aside time or

534
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:12,480
like where you're distancing
from everything and.

535
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,320
Then it's crazy.
Life is so busy.

536
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,280
I just got done with like a work
trip to Florida and it's like I

537
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,280
can just like walk and there's
like no distractions.

538
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,640
It's like nice when you don't
have to do all that.

539
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,120
So and I think we hit on that.
It's similar but very, very

540
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,640
different.
But that's why, that's why these

541
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,320
benefits do happen, you know?
Yeah, and there's a guy I listen

542
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,560
to, Greg Cockel, who had a back
injury when he was younger and

543
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,440
his doctor prescribed yoga to
him.

544
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,760
And so he's like, I do the yoga
stretches.

545
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:50,640
I don't like to say the Namaste
and all the other stuff.

546
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,800
And I don't put any symbolism
into them.

547
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,040
I do them because they're good
for my body and I get a benefit

548
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,360
from them.
And so I, I think there's

549
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:02,040
nothing wrong to say, hey, we
are physical creatures.

550
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,280
We have minds.
We're mind body, you know.

551
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,080
Yeah.
And so even if all it was was

552
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,760
quiet time and nature, you would
see a benefit from that.

553
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,360
We're not I I don't think it's
wrong to deny that.

554
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:15,320
Right.
Yeah, yeah.

555
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,520
Yeah, and then.
But why not add to it this

556
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,080
communion with the God of all
the universe, you know?

557
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,720
Yeah, Yeah.
And then, and then you're going

558
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,200
to get both this, you know,
physical benefit and the

559
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,520
spiritual benefit, so.
Love it.

560
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,120
That is good question three, I
think we're doing pretty good on

561
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:34,200
time.
We're kind of hitting these at a

562
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:39,840
good, good clip.
How does this compare with the

563
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,600
10 commandments in Scripture
where God says he's a jealous

564
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,320
God?
Yeah, God says don't worship

565
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,120
anything or anybody else.
If you spend more time

566
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,720
dedicating yourself to
something, really you're

567
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,240
worshipping that, aren't you?
With what this question is

568
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,120
getting at, another way maybe to
say it is if God says he's a

569
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:57,360
jealous God and then it's in
commandments, does spending more

570
00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:00,400
time on something else mean
we're worshipping it?

571
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,560
I think it's a good question
because I think I think where

572
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,920
you spend your time does tell
you a lot about yourself.

573
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,320
I think maybe we make some
comments on is that totally

574
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,640
indicative of where your heart
is Like how much do you work

575
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,040
versus you know is that you
know, and and I think some of

576
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,520
these you can't totally answer
by time commitment, but time

577
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,000
commitment can probably tell you
a lot.

578
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,280
Yeah, I want to look up this
quote.

579
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,440
So let me look up a quote real
quick.

580
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,720
While you're looking this up, I
will read or I will give the

581
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,680
gist of Exodus 20.
We get 10 commandments.

582
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,720
You shall have no other gods
before me, for I the Lord your

583
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,560
God, am a jealous God.
And normally jealousy's not a

584
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,480
great thing.
And this context and this

585
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,720
covenantal context, God's
jealousy is good.

586
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,920
It's not petty.
It's not this petty envy.

587
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,560
It's a covenantal love, not
unlike a faithful husband's

588
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,640
jealousy for his bride God.
And God alone can say that

589
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,720
'cause he actually deserves
ultimate devotion.

590
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,200
Anyone else saying that rings
hollow and empty because it is

591
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,760
hollow and empty.
You kind of like see through

592
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,760
that where he is truly the King
of the universe and to

593
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,600
substitute anything in his
place, which could be so many

594
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,600
things, money, pleasure or good
things like family, you know,

595
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,760
elevating it to that, that is
idolatry.

596
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,760
So it's not just, you know,
carving images and that kind of

597
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,360
thing.
But anyway your quote.

598
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:28,480
By quote from Martin Luther, he
said the Christian Shoemaker

599
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,880
does his duty not by putting
little crosses on the shoes, but

600
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,920
by making good shoes because God
is interested in good

601
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,800
craftsmanship.
This, this is, this is like, I

602
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,800
feel like the quintessential
question of like the 90s, early

603
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,520
2000s and Christian contemporary
music.

604
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,240
Are they supposed to be like
preaching?

605
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,720
Is it like, what's, what's their
role?

606
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,160
Are they making music or are
they like missionaries?

607
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,600
And some people are like, well,
that band doesn't talk enough

608
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,240
about Christ.
And you know, you know, it's

609
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,880
like this thing like, what's it
mean to be a Christian plumber?

610
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,480
Are you handing out tracts?
Maybe you are.

611
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,480
Or is it like, are you or 'cause
you could go the other way and

612
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,320
be like, this guy never fixes my
sink.

613
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,640
Like he's not a good plumber.
He just is like soliciting me

614
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,880
the whole time or you know what
I mean?

615
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,200
But that's.
Yeah, I forgot about that quote.

616
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,200
That's a good.
Quote So I think sometimes we

617
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:25,160
can, I think there's 222 ditches
here. 1 is to bifurcate

618
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,320
everything and think, OK, here's
my time with the Lord.

619
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,040
Here's my time engineering or
landscaping or helping people's

620
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,680
backs or whatever it happens to
be.

621
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,240
But if you 'cause it is.
But if you can see this other

622
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,640
stuff as service to God, like I
am doing this as unto the Lord

623
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,880
and I want to be the best PT
that I can be.

624
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,520
I want to be the best engineer
that I can be.

625
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,680
I want to be the best, you know,
quarterback that I can be.

626
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,760
Whatever your job or role is.
And, and obviously there's a

627
00:30:54,760 --> 00:31:00,240
balance to that, like, but
there's you can do that.

628
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,640
And I think you can delight in
the opportunities that God has

629
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,120
given you because Adam and Eve
out of the gate, they were to

630
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,040
tend to garden, right?
Yeah, they had a job.

631
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,320
You can show me that you love me
by making this garden blossom

632
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,440
and and tilling it and making
it.

633
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,160
You know all the.
Good snakes out of there.

634
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,320
Get the snakes, Get them out of
there.

635
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,200
Protect them.
Yeah.

636
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:28,000
So I think that there can be a
false idea that this false

637
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,320
delineation between secular and
sacred.

638
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,240
It's not just
compartmentalizing, it's

639
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,080
ordering things rightly.
I like that.

640
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,200
That's good because your life is
a life of worship.

641
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,360
It's not like, hey, I go to
church 10% of the time and then,

642
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,440
you know, whatever, 'cause
you're right, 'cause so you

643
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,560
spend a lot of time, especially
with things like, I think that

644
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,360
quote's good because it hits on,
you know what, most people spend

645
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,240
a good part of their day.
Slash, I sleep a lot.

646
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,360
I sleep like a third of the, you
know my time, you know you

647
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,040
couldn't.
Maybe if I slept like 15 hours,

648
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,520
maybe I would be worshipping
sleep or you know, right.

649
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,640
You can probably put some stuff
out of balance and if you're

650
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,480
pursuing being a quarterback to
the detriment of your family and

651
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,040
your role in your.
Church here's here's a question.

652
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,200
Probably out of balance.
Are you?

653
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:18,800
Can you pee a NFL quarterback
and have the right balance just

654
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,680
based on Lord's days out for
you?

655
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,200
Yeah, I think, Paul says.
You know, some people celebrate

656
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,200
this day, some people celebrate
another day, so I'm not.

657
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,560
Convinced.
Yeah, you're not a huge Sunday.

658
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,680
Yeah, as long as you're picking
a day, you're like, find a

659
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,040
church that worships on Tuesday
and make that your day and you

660
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,280
can just like do whatever you
want on Sunday.

661
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,520
Yeah.
Yeah, OK.

662
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,040
I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

663
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,040
Well, OK, I, I I think there's
something neat about Sunday set

664
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,200
aside, but I get it too.
If I get if you're like a nerd,

665
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,120
I get if there's like AI, guess
maybe NFL.

666
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,400
Quarterbacks are going to play
until they're 45 or 40.

667
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,360
Six.
That's true.

668
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,160
Yeah, Yeah.
You're talking maybe two or

669
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,880
three years for your average
quarterback, yeah.

670
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,240
That's that that that's a good
point.

671
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:06,480
That's a that's a unusual
example because and most, most

672
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churches I just six my heck, as
pastor said it like on like

673
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,480
Easter, like there's like a
church in Charleston that was

674
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,880
like doing like 20 Easter
services like they were starting

675
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,240
on Good Friday was like where
they started their like that's

676
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,400
just like weird to me to have
like your Easter service on Good

677
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,240
Friday.
What if that quarterbacks like

678
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,960
I'm going to church on Saturday,
the actual Sabbath?

679
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,920
Yeah, Saturday.
This is like legalistic,

680
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,080
probably Saturday sounds better
than me then like, Hey, I'm

681
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,280
going to like our church is
meeting and I know, I know time

682
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,760
zones are different.
It's not like everyone's

683
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,360
worshiping together on the same
day.

684
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,000
Sure, but I I I so that might
just be more like not nostalgia,

685
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,880
but more just like sentimental
be like Oh a lot of Christians

686
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,360
worshiping together, but that
doesn't matter because people

687
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,440
are worshipping at all
different.

688
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,200
Times, yeah, but if I sing Izzy
Worthy and we hit that place

689
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,240
where he talks about, you know,
people, every tongue and tribe a

690
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,680
nation.
And I think about all the

691
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,680
Christians across the world
basically worshipping the same

692
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,240
time on a Sunday.
Yeah, I do.

693
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,400
I feel like there's a
connection, but I think that I

694
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,320
wouldn't judge someone if they
chose a day different because

695
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,160
that's what Paul told me to do.
Wow.

696
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So let's so let's get back time

697
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,920
verse worship.
Worship is about ultimate worth,

698
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,520
trust and love.
Good question to ask yourself,

699
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,120
do I elevate this thing above
God in my hearts, my identity or

700
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,440
my obedience?
What is the ultimate treasure of

701
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,040
my hearts?
You could spend 40 hours more at

702
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,080
work.
And if work defines you more

703
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,040
than Christ or if you sacrifice
obedience to God for career

704
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,800
success, then that can become
idol.

705
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,880
I think that comes easily, can
become an idol.

706
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,560
But and then there's the other
side of it.

707
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,440
You can like, you also don't
want to be like apathetic to

708
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,400
your work and be a bad worker
because you're like, you're

709
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,360
like, I just love God so much.
I'm just always listening to

710
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,239
sermons like, yeah, that's a
bad, bad way to go too.

711
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,480
So, you know, practically you
could ask yourself, does this

712
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,239
bring me closer to God?
Like, am I thinking about

713
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:56,880
worshiping God?
Am I obeying God?

714
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,440
Would you obey God if it cost
you this hobby or activity or

715
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,320
job?
Would that, you know, would you

716
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,120
be OK with losing that over
that?

717
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,280
Maybe that's a good test to ask
yourself to.

718
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,640
I think John Piper once said,
like, whatever makes you the

719
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,800
most happy, that is your God.
I'm like, that's a good, that's

720
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,600
a good quote.
You know what?

721
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,240
Do you give your ultimate
devotion and time to what you

722
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:26,800
got?
I was just going to read part of

723
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:32,520
the concern it seems like from
this question is this idea of

724
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,200
where my heart is and what I'm
actually worshipping.

725
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,240
And I was just thinking of this.
I was right here, but I couldn't

726
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:41,360
find it.
It's like it's actually

727
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:42,920
literally the top verse on the
page.

728
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,640
So, but this is from Sermon on
the Mount and it says do not

729
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,200
store it for yourselves.
Treasure on earth or moth and

730
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,680
rust destroy and where thieves
break in and steal, but store it

731
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,360
for yourselves treasures in
heaven where neither moth nor

732
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,440
rust destroys and where thieves
do not break in or steal.

733
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,040
For where your treasure is,
there your heart will be also.

734
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,440
And I think I mentioned this
before, but I when I was

735
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,400
younger, I always thought that
my heart would be a reflection

736
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,160
of where my treasure is.
And that's not what this is

737
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,160
saying.
This is saying where you make a

738
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,800
decision to invest, your heart
will naturally go there.

739
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,560
So you you invest in some, you
know, let's say you're a

740
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,480
business owner and you sponsor
some soccer team.

741
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,480
You put your money in there.
Your heart is going to you're

742
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,160
like, I'm going to want those
people wearing my name to win.

743
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,560
You invest your time and talent
treasures in a church and things

744
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,920
of God.
Your heart will naturally start

745
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,480
going there, even if it's not at
first.

746
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,160
That's right.
You can, you can discipline

747
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,160
yourself, say, hey, I'm going to
start making investments in

748
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,240
spiritual things and show God
that I'm going to.

749
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:54,400
And that doesn't mean, like we
said, that you stopped doing

750
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,480
your work.
Yeah, yeah.

751
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,760
Investing in your family and,
you know, caring for them,

752
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,040
whether it's being a homemaker
or making a living or some

753
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,120
combination of the two, those
are ways that we still honor

754
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,480
God.
No, that, that is really, really

755
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,200
good.
Good questions, good things to

756
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,120
think about, good questions to
ask yourself because that if you

757
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,280
know supposed to worship God,
you know your body's living

758
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:24,560
sacrifice, you should be
grappling with that Reformed MD.

759
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,080
Is it too?
Is it too big of a question or?

760
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,080
Yeah, It's a little bit more of
a intellectual question versus

761
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,960
these are pastoral questions.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

762
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,360
We'll catch you later.
We'll catch you later, performed

763
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,720
MD.
All right, I love it.

764
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,280
Most of our questions are great.
We should do this more often.

765
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,640
That's our take.
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766
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,000
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