Paul in His Own Words 2 | The Suffering Servant

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This should be APSA.
You you mentioned this.

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I don't know if it's the last
banter.

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Yeah, you, you made some
clarification that like, hey,

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you misspoke.
I was reflecting on home groups

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today and man, I think when you
get too close to something, your

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perspective changes.
And I was like, man, I I was

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talking.
I've been like Leanne's been all

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over me for just being obsessed
with little kids soccer because

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my kids, I'm coaching these two
teams and I'm like this

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formation, it's not working.
And I, I was just, I was talking

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to Michael earlier at home
groups, Jonathan White.

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Was there?
And OK, and I was just like just

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complaining about about the refs
like I, I, I did, I should have

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given more credit to to the
other team did really good and

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our team couldn't score.
It turns out that's important in

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soccer.
But I was like, make I mean, I

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was making excuses.
I was like, I was just being a

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complainer out there.
So she got on to you on the way

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drive home.
No, no, no, she, she, this is

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like a not the same
conversation, but she's just

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like before this, like she's
just like Zach, you're talk, you

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talk, you're thinking about
soccer too much.

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And and I was like, oh man, I I
probably do.

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I was like, oh, she's, she's
been telling me this for the

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last couple of weeks and I was
like, I think I probably AM.

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And I was like going on.
Just talking about a lot in your

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home life with Leanne.
Well, I will talk a lot about on

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Saturday like we get on
Saturday, like this is on my

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mind.
And so she gets bombarded about

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it on the weekend.
It is cool off during the week,

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but I'm always like, what did
you think about this?

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Like did this work?
This not work and obviously

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still my mind, you know, I guess
it's still the weekend.

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But I was like talking to you,
Michael, about like, oh, man, we

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played so good.
But the other we made this

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mistake and all this stuff.
And I was like, if I was

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Jonathan White, I would be like,
man, what a complainer this guy

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is like he can't take his team
lost.

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And yeah, it turns out scoring
is important.

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Right, right.
And who?

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Who was the team you lost to?
I don't know the coach's name,

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but E lies on that team.
So it's basically Jonathan's

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team?
So they beat.

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They beat us fair and square.
'Cause there's so just if people

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who are listening and mildly
interested two different teams.

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Two different teams.
Correct.

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So there's AK through two team.
Which is insane.

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Yes.
And that has my kindergartner on

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it, Jonathan's kindergartner on
it, your second grader and Matt

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Gilbert, who's been on here.
That's right, yeah.

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Yeah, and then there's a 3-4 and
five, three, third, 4th, 5th

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grade team and I think we tried
to get Eli on your team but

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didn't work out or something.
Yeah.

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I think we waited too late or
something like that.

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Like it was like we could have
easily done this, but I guess

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the ball was set in motion,
these things so.

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So, so you're, you are friends
in this league?

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Oh yeah.
Enemies.

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Mortal enemies in the Upper
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It's cool though.
It's like I've coached enough at

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Northwood where it's like I know
a lot of the kids on the other

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team, which is kind of cool.
At least those that are like

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Jaden's age.
I don't know a lot of the older

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kids like too well, but it's
been pretty fun.

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And man, the and I know like
Northwoods got to do.

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It's not the biggest school in
the world, but it's like it to

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me.
It is crazy that like

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kindergartner and 2nd grade are
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grade.
It's like, man, like we have 5th

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graders on the team that are not
are they're our best players and

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they're not like our best.
Like they're not the most

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technically sound, but just like
having that physicality, being

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fast, it's like that goes a lot.
Of growth, muscle and knowledge

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of the game, even though you may
not be an All Star it it's a

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it's a huge advantage.
It's huge.

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And so that was that's part of
my excuse to be weren't missing

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our fifth grade, you know, So
anyway, I was like, I can't, you

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can't apologize and then make
make all these excuses again,

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just like, but it's been, I've
been, I've really liked, it's

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been fun coaching, it's been fun
coaching all of them.

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But third, fifth grade, it's
like we're getting better each

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game.
It's been it's been good.

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We just got to get we just got
to get a we don't have a win

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this season.
So it's been, that's been tough,

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you know.
That is tough.

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I've I've gone through seasons
coaching football where we

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didn't have a win early on.
So so I'm hoping we get one, but

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because I I think more for the
kids.

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I don't want to feel like like
down, but it's like we are

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playing so good and even the
last game like we were

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possessing the ball.
It's just we gotta we gotta put

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the ball in the net.
You know what I mean?

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Like we had a lot of chances and
we just like missed and missed

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and missed.
But that's how it goes

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sometimes.
That's that's.

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Like the frustrating thing
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Soccer particularly, you know,
it's like it all comes down to a

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few chances.
You're talking about knowing a

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whole bunch of the kids.
It reminded me when Karis was

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playing basketball, which he
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now, but she was playing JVI.
Guess it would have been her 8th

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grade year and we had like.
What grade is Karis in?

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She's in 10th grade.
That's crazy.

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It is crazy, yeah.
But, you know, you remember

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coaching Karis when she was
young in basketball, but I had

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coached so many years in that
lower school basketball girls

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thing that on her team, I was
like every single one of these

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rules except for one girl who
moved in from I think New Jersey

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or New York someplace.
I I had to either coach

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personally or she was someone
that we were like, you know,

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boxing one, stay on her.
Like do not let her, you know,

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you can't.
So it was, it was really is is

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it was kind of rewarding,
although like you're watching

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that and like most people in the
Upper School don't think of you

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as like they don't think of me
as, Oh yeah, a girls basketball

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coach.
Yeah.

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Because it's either a math
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But it was like, you know, I
felt a little like you have a

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little bit of a hand in, you
know, shaping the warp moof of

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of these girl basketball.
You do a lot of Northwood.

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You could say you wear mini
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Foreshadowing later for a future
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Maybe.
Maybe that's AC all right.

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You know, sometimes you're out
there and like for context, last

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year coach coached Jayden in the
K through 2nd, went undefeated,

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just just like dominated.
And he and, and I know this is

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not the case, but you start
thinking a little bit like, I'm,

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I'm, I'm pretty good at
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Yeah, I'm gonna get out.
Maybe you're like selected, hand

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picked by God to win soccer
teams soccer games.

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Right, you feel good.
And then this season, boy

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suffering, suffering kicks him.
I feel I feel like a suffering

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servant out there just, you
know, doing my best to coach

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these kids.
But man, it's been brutal.

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But that's good.
That's the nice thing about

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sports.
There's always like someone

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better, someone worse.
It kind of puts you in your

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place.
It's like the ultimate you know,

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even the playing field and you
know Paul, suffering servant.

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Yeah, he went from being called,
you know, and like kind of

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walking this path to wow, he
went through a lot of trials,

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wasn't all winning.
Sometimes.

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His 5th grader was missing from
his team, you know what I'm

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saying?
Yeah, and he also experienced

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far worse things than This is
great too.

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Real quick aside, we'll get into
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Like the first game we played,
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We're actually, it was John, it
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We went to PKS and tied and I
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bawling their eyes like crying.
Like they were like so invested

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in the game.
And they're like, oh, we, you

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know, all these things.
So yeah, suffering sports.

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This is great episode. 2,
Episode 2 of.

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Paul, in his own words, we're
kind of continuing this Paul

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series more than episode 2 in
the grand scheme of things.

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But we're going to be in First
Corinthians, Second Corinthians,

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a little bit in Romans.
So let's go ahead take it to the

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next level from the hearts of
the low country in South

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Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
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OK, so second episode, Paul in
his own words, and really we're

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just kind of reviewing a lot of
scripture here.

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We're going to skip some of it
even in Second Corinthians

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because it's a lot.
Kurt, you read it on your own.

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That's right.
See, see what he has to do.

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But really, we're kind of
getting into the honeymoon

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period.
If there ever was a honeymoon

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period is over for Paul, and he
is working.

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He has done several missionary
journeys now, up into Asia Minor

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and over into Europe and Greece.
The Corinthian church is

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thriving in gifts.
A lot of good things happen, but

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they're fractured in their
loyalty.

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A lot of stuff, they're
basically divided over different

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teachers about the Lord's
Supper, about order of worship.

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There's just the list goes on in
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A lot of it is there, and some
even will reject Paul's

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authority for them.
We're going to see in Rome when

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Paul writes from Corinth near
the end of his third missionary

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journey, he's reflecting on
maturity, his exhaustion and his

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hope to see them.
And so we're going to see some

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personal stuff here.
He's going to recount some

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things that he's had gone
through go through, but we could

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say at this point in time he's
battle tested.

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Oh, I like.
That you like that?

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Like that.
Yeah, that, that.

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Through some of this suffering,
you know this paradox God works

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through.
This in amazing ways, but you'll

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see through all of this.
His doctrine's not changing even

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through these trials.
So we're gonna start off in

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First Corinthian, First
Corinthians, and maybe 4-9

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through 16.
Do you wanna hit that?

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Let's get it verse 9 read, for I
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apostles as last of all, like
men sentenced to death, because

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we have become a spectacle to
the world, to angels and to men.

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We are fools for Christ's sake,
but you are wise in Christ.

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We are weak, but you are strong.
You are held in honor, but we in

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disrepute, disrepute to the
present hour.

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We hunger and thirst.
We are poorly dressed and

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buffeted and homeless, and we
labor working with their own

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hands.
When reviled, we bless.

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When persecuted, we endure.
When slandered, we entreat.

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We have become and are still
like the scum of the world, the

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refuse of all things.
And I do not write these things

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to make you ashamed, but to
admonish you as my beloved

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children.
For though you have countless

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guides in Christ, you don't have
many fathers.

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For I became your father in
Christ Jesus through the gospel.

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I urge you then be imitators of
me.

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Wow.
Yeah, what a strong, what a

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strong language coming out.
Hey, look how bad we have it.

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Imitate me.
Yeah, it's like all he's

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comparing and contrasting.
You have all these good things

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of all the terrible stuff that's
been going on in me.

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Yeah, yeah.
But kind of maybe the key thing

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is the apostles through their
sufferings 'cause we know a lot

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of them were martyred, have
become a spectacle to the world,

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to, he says, to God and to the
world, to the angels and to to

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men.
So continuing on, unless you

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have anything else to.
Say about that.

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Keep moving.
Chapter 9 of the same book.

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So in this book, as you were
saying, Corinthian church, what

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a time to be alive.
What a time even everything down

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to even like head coverings
we're going to argue about, you

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know.
What I mean, yeah, it's all over

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the place.
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book, Chapter 8, he's going to
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use of their own liberty.
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say, hey, yeah, you have liberty
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just because you have liberty to
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that it's the wisest, most
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recount like, hey, I have all
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could do this, I could do this.
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liberties because I am living in
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technically wrong with it
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offended, I'm going to choose to
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That's great.
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that he's not getting paid by
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He's going to talk about the,
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That's great.
So we're not going to read all

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of that, but you could read 9/1
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We're going to pick up in 19.
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Decided on it.
Says For though I am free from

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all men, I've made myself a
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win more to the Jews I became as
a Jew, so that I might win Jews

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to those who are under the law,
as under the law, though not

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being myself under the law.
So that I might win those who

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are under the law.
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law, as without the law, though
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God, but under the law of
Christ, so that I might win

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those who are without the law to
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I became weak that I might win
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I've become all things to all
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save some.
I do all things for the sake of

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the Gospel, so that I may become
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Man, what, what a good attitude,
'cause my default attitude is

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like, we're in the Bible, say I
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Like, you know what I mean?
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What's the rule?
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attitude at all.
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they're at in various contexts.
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you know, I know I don't always
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Just like you were saying, OK,
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over to 1st Corinthians 15 and
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hard to say self deprecating
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have a different connotation.
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you know, transparently self
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chapter on the resurrection of
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some insight into what Paul
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Do you want to read those for
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All right, last of all, as to 1
untimely born, He appeared also

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to me.
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apostles, unworthy to be called
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the Church of God.
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what I am, and His grace toward
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On the contrary, I worked harder
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not I but the grace of God that
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All right, so really, really
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So in First Corinthians, we see
and cross the gamut this hey,

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Paul's going to say apostles,
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We've been, you know, put to
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We've been humiliated.
And hey, I want you to be like

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me.
Yeah, imitate me.

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That's strong.
Next section we see him

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basically saying we all have
liberties and sometimes even

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though you you could you you
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That's right, for it's all for
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people.
And then here, even when he's

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saying I worked harder than
everyone, he, he doesn't stop

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there.
He said it's 'cause this grace

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that God, you know, actually I
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because I just was so running
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church.
So sometimes our influence in

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our church or in our work goes,
comes through sacrifice and not

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self promotion.
It's kind of the opposite of

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what you might hear from the
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And like you were just hitting,
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man, I worked really hard,

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that's through God's grace.
Man, I'm, I've just been, you

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know, I'm smarter and I've
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So all of that is through God's
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passed and he's gone through
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common saying out there, Apple,

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he'll never give you more than
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You hear that a lot.
All right, so why don't you read

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Second Corinthians 1/8 through
10 for us?

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All right, for we don't want you
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affliction we experience in
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For we were so utterly burdened
beyond our strength that we

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despaired of life itself.
Indeed, we felt that we had

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received the sentence of death.
But that was to make us rely not

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on ourselves, but on God, who
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He delivered us from such a
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He will deliver us on him.
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will deliver us again.
They despaired even of life like

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that, that strong language.
I think people would like even

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they felt that way might be
like, I don't want to talk about

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that.
I don't want to say it that way.

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But things were not always like
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sunshine.
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there is more autobiographical
stuff that we're not going to

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read.
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below this, you know, you can
read through that we it would

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just basically be us reading the
book the second Corinthians you.

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Can go to the Audio Bible.
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So, you know, take some time,
listen, read through what he has

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to say.
We're going to skip over to 4,

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seven through 12, probably a
familiar passage to you.

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Really this whole book or this
whole chapter 4, I think is

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really good because he's going
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you know, kind of doing it in
your own strength and having it

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all put together or relying on
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And this passage comes up right
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It says, but we have this
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So if your Jars of Clay fan,
this is this is your first, is

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yours saying Jars of clay?
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Maybe we should have read it out
of the ESC, but says but we have

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this treasure in earthen
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greatness of the power will be
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We are afflicted in every way,
but not crushed, perplexed but

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not despairing, persecuted, not
forsaken, struck down but not

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destroyed, always caring about
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so that the life of Jesus may
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For we who live are constantly
being delivered over to death

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for Jesus sake, so that the life
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in our mortal flesh.
So death works in us, but life

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in you?
You know who writes a really

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good commentary on this section?
Jill Osteen.

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It's just like, it's like one of
his most famous, famous books,

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How to Live Your Best Life.
It's just, you know, really

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based out of the text.
Really just dig into the

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persecution.
Like feel like you've been

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delivered over to death multiple
times.

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And this one's a tough one for
prosperity gospel teachers.

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Is it just like, hey, that was
Paul?

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Things have been worked out, so
today we don't have to deal with

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this or something like that,
'cause that, again, we'll keep

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seeing it.
It's pretty vivid.

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It's not like he's sugar coating
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Yeah.
But you know, if you read to the

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end of, and I probably will just
read the end of chapter 4

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because it's great, because he
says all of this.

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the things that they have gone
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for momentary light affliction.
And you, you would look at this

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list that we're going to get to
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You're like Paul, that's not
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You've been saying you've been
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and over.
Again, it's not.

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Light like you've been all these
lashings, these beatings, being

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stoned, but in comparison to
eternity, it's momentary and

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it's light, he's going to say
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Affliction is producing for us
an eternal weight of glory far

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beyond all comparison, while we
look not at the things which are

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seen, but at the things which
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For the things which you're
seeing are temporal, but the

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things which you're not seeing
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while he's going through all

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this tough stuff.
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We put no obstacles in anyone's
way, so that no fault may be

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found within our ministry.
But as servants of God we

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commend ourselves in every way.
By great endurance and

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afflictions, hardships,
calamities, beatings,

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imprisonments, riots, laborers,
sleepless nights, hunger.

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By purity, knowledge, patience,
kindness, the Holy Spirit,

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genuine love, by truthful speech
and the power of God with the

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weapons of righteousness for the
right hand and for the left,

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through honor and dishonor,
through slander and praise, we

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are treated as imposters and yet
are true, as unknown and yet

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well known as dying.
And behold, we live as punished

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and yet not killed, as
sorrowful, yet always rejoicing,

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as poor, yet making many rich,
as having nothing, yet

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possessing everything.
Much like these other passages.

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You just see all these like
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that, this and that, this and
that.

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It's like something that Paul
goes through a lot highlighting

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kind of what you were just
saying, like some hardship now.

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But God works through that in
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again.
A lot of bad things, Beatings,

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prison, hunger, sleepless
nights, just over and over and

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over and over and over.
Yeah.

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And so you might say, you know,
we talked in our first episode

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on this, Paul is kind of
defending his apostleship

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through his being sent out from
Christ and his their conduct to

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the the Thessalonians, like the
Thessalonians that, you know,

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hey, you saw us, we were above
reproach.

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We treated you and now it's like
he is saying OK more often to

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authenticating to our role as
apostles.

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All the suffering and we've
we've gone through it 'cause

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this whole through through
Second Corinthians like we're

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we're going to get it.
This next section is a longer

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section, but I think it's good
that we read read through it.

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So this is 1116 through 33, He
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Again, I say, let no one think
me foolish, but if you do,

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receive me even as foolish, so
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For what or what am I saying?
I am not saying as the Lord

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would, but as in foolishness in
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Since many boast according to
flesh, I will boast also for you

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being so wise.
Tolerate the foolish gladly, for

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you tolerate it if anyone
enslaves you, anyone devours

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you, anyone takes advantage of
you, anyone exalts himself,

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anyone hits you in the face.
To my shame, I must say that we

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have been weak by comparison.
But in whatever respect anyone

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else is bold, I speak in
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I am just as bold myself.
So maybe we should pause there

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'cause this, this is a very, you
know, we're trying to read in

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like what was going on between
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I think the the thing was they
were, this whole culture was

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enraptured by these orators who
would speak boldly and they

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wouldn't, you know, they were
like polished speakers and they

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would, you know, have this
recitations And Paul didn't.

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That wasn't his style.
And so he would maybe write to

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them boldly, but in person he
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And, you know, he wasn't, you
know, maybe he didn't speak the

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best.
And so he's kind of contrasting

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those like professional speakers
with himself and saying, you

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know, I wasn't that way.
But here, let me tell you, let

444
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,680
me go on to boast for you.
And so if he first he's going to

445
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,280
start boasting in kind of what
we would normally boast in, and

446
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,760
then he's going to shift to his
sufferings.

447
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,400
All right.
He says, are they Hebrew?

448
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,800
So am I.
Are they Israelites?

449
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,640
So am I?
Are they descendants of Abraham?

450
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,200
So am I.
Are they servants of Christ?

451
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,880
I speak as if insane.
I'm more so in far more laborers

452
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,600
and far more imprisonments.
Beaten times without number,

453
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,320
often in danger of death.
Five times I received the Jews

454
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,200
from the Jews. 39 lashes. 3
times I was beaten with rods.

455
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,200
Once I was stoned, Three times I
was shipwrecked.

456
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,680
A night and a day I have spent
in the deep.

457
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,480
I've been on frequent journeys
and dangers from rivers, dangers

458
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,600
from robbers, dangers from my
countrymen, dangers from the

459
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,240
Gentiles, dangers in the city,
dangers in the wilderness,

460
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,120
dangers on the sea, dangers
among false brethren.

461
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,680
I have been in labor and
hardship through many sleepless

462
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,440
nights and hunger and thirst,
often without food and cold and

463
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,920
exposure.
Apart from such external things,

464
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,920
there are the daily pressures on
me of concern from all my all

465
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,320
the churches.
Who is weak without?

466
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,800
Who is weak without my being
weak?

467
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:53,920
Who is LED into sin without?
In my intense concern, if I have

468
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,040
to boast, I will boast of what
pertains to my weakness.

469
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,320
The God and Father, Lord Jesus,
who is blessed forever, knows

470
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:06,640
that I'm not lying in this.
In Damascus, the ethnarc under a

471
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,960
Wretus, the king was guarding
the city of the Damascenes in

472
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,080
order to seize me, and I was let
down in a basket through a

473
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,880
window in the wall, and so
escaped his hands.

474
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,920
Pulsing a thing or two.
Using and.

475
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,000
This is probably about halfway
through his ministry.

476
00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:26,840
Right, more to come.
He's not even been imprisoned in

477
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,520
Caesarea or Rome yet.
And then he's eventually going

478
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,800
to be martyred.
So yeah, he's, he has seen a

479
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,320
thing or two and he's going to
sing it through.

480
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,680
It's great.
And you know, reminds me, I'll

481
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,600
let you get in here and say, you
know, when he's blind and God's

482
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,440
talking to Ananias and he and
Ananias like, don't you know who

483
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,200
this is?
And he's like, I am going to

484
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,080
show him all that he has to
suffer for the sake of the

485
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,640
gospel.
It's like, you know, and of

486
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,320
course God is moving through
Paul's life more actually, like

487
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,440
we got the New Testament, a lot
of it because of a lot of.

488
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,440
Stuff, yeah, it's pretty crazy.
You know, you think of Paul and

489
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,840
everyone knows this stuff, but
when he starts listing it out

490
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,400
yours like, man, that that that
is brutal.

491
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,600
It's like you're trying to think
of a testimony like, oh, what is

492
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,400
God?
We had to move across the

493
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,800
country.
It was really hard or, I don't

494
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,040
know, it's like, man, you put it
in perspective and it's like,

495
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,520
wow, that faithful endurance and
he's not done.

496
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,280
And like you were saying,
there's like so much more if

497
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,720
Second Corinthians, like we
could be hurting.

498
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,080
Yeah.
It just like, you just can't do

499
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:26,520
it.
Yeah.

500
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,200
Yeah.
And so you could keep on going

501
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,920
12 one through 10.
He's going to continue kind of

502
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,680
this the same kind of
discussion, develop it a little

503
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:35,840
more.
Here's where we're going to get

504
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,560
the phrase thorn of the flesh.
A lot of debate about what the

505
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,200
thorn of the flesh is.
Yeah, who knows?

506
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,120
Could have been this disease,
could have been a person, could

507
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:44,720
have been sin that he was
struggling with.

508
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,440
We don't know.
But we do know that God didn't

509
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,560
deliver him from it.
Yeah, and he asked several

510
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,040
times.
You know that's the Apostle

511
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,720
Paul.
God's like, hey, my grace,

512
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,800
that's enough for you and this.
I love it.

513
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,880
He was also caught up in the 3rd
heaven, which I I honestly

514
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,520
thought I was in 3rd heaven at a
Memphis Grizzlies game.

515
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,400
You just those nose points, they
go high, they go up high.

516
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,080
You're like, is this?
Is this what Paul was talking

517
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:14,200
about, man?
So probably may, I mean, some

518
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:19,320
people are going through some
tough times, probably not to

519
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,000
this level is my guess.
But you know, you know, we have

520
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,960
some friends in Arkansas, Wife
struggling with cancer.

521
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:30,800
Doesn't look like, you know, it
looks like all the treatments

522
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:37,400
are starting to fail.
Father of someone we know it

523
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,240
looks like he's just been
diagnosed with terminal cancer.

524
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,720
You know, we know some people at
church just lost the father.

525
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,760
So there are tough times that we
go through and really the the

526
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,920
question is, you know, how what
am I going to learn through

527
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,160
those trials?
How is God, you know, molding

528
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,760
me?
How am I being a testimony for

529
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,840
God during this time?
You think of Job and you know he

530
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,720
was tested.
Just so that you know, God

531
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,200
could.
Show Hey, that's the whole

532
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,480
point.
Yeah, yeah.

533
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:14,920
All right, so we're going to
skip on to Romans now and

534
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,160
robably never heard of this book
Romans.

535
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,360
It's like not one of Paul's well
known writings, but you know, it

536
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:24,320
is something that if you have
time, I recommend you go ahead

537
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,280
and give it to read.
But we're going to get some, you

538
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,120
know, even though it is largely
theological, we do get some

539
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:37,080
autobiographical insights there.
And, and we're going to start in

540
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,360
Chapter 7 and a lot of people
debate this like, is this before

541
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:44,880
you say, is this like an A
backslidden Christian or is this

542
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,000
like, hey, every Christian you
should basically be will

543
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,720
expecting to be fighting sin
this way.

544
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,600
All right, you want to read 7
through 25?

545
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,200
Do it buckle up and a lot of
this it's like you'll just when

546
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,480
you hear it, it's like some of
the other stuff.

547
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,040
There's so much comparison.
I hate this.

548
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,760
It's like there's a lot of back
and forth kind of confusing to

549
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,800
follow, but I think hearing it
helps paint that if.

550
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,960
You want to pause and yeah,
wherever, wherever.

551
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,480
You know I'll, I'll leave it in
your trust hands.

552
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,680
All right, verse 7.
What then shall we say that the

553
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,080
law is sin?
By no means.

554
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,160
Yet if had not been for the law,
I wouldn't have known sin, For I

555
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,600
would not have known what it is
to covet, if the law didn't say,

556
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,520
You shall not covet, but sin,
seizing an opportunity through

557
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,720
the commandments, producing me
all kinds of covetousness.

558
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,440
For apart from the law, sin lies
dead.

559
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,120
I was once alive apart from the
Law, but when the commandments

560
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,200
came, sin came alive and I died.
The very commandment that

561
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,480
promised life proved to be death
to me.

562
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,160
For sin seizing an opportunity
through the commandment to seed

563
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,760
me, and though and through it
killed me.

564
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,600
So the law is holy and the
commandment is holy, and the

565
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,760
right and righteous and good.
Did that which is good then

566
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,480
bring death to me?
By no means.

567
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,680
It was sin producing death in me
through what is good, in order

568
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,600
that sin might be shown to be
sin, and through the commandment

569
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,200
might become sinful beyond
measure.

570
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,120
For we know that the law is
spiritual, that I am of the

571
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,520
flesh sold under sin.
For I don't understand my own

572
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,200
actions, For I don't do what I
want, but I do the thing I hate.

573
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,120
Now if I do what I don't want, I
agree with the law that it's

574
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,840
good.
So now it's no longer I who do

575
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,200
it, but the sin that dwells
within me.

576
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,760
For I know that nothing good
dwells in me that is in my

577
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,040
flesh.
For I have the desire to do what

578
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,360
is right, but not the ability to
carry it out.

579
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,280
For I don't do the good I want,
but the evil I don't want is

580
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,400
what I keep on doing.
Now if I if now, if I do what I

581
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,880
don't want, it's no longer I who
do it, but sin that dwells in

582
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,280
me.
So you can kind of see this a

583
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,920
lot of back and forth.
He starts off saying, hey, the,

584
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,680
the law's not bad.
It's really sin.

585
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,640
And then this you can just even
hear it in it.

586
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,440
It's it's this struggle, this,
this back and forth, verse 21.

587
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,720
So I find it to be a law that
when I want to do right, evil

588
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,040
lies close at hand.
For I delight in the law of God

589
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,640
in my inner being, but I see in
my members another law waging

590
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,640
war against the law of my mind
and making me captive to the law

591
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,520
of sin that dwells in my
members.

592
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,720
Wretched man that I am, who will
deliver me from this body of

593
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,880
death, thanks be to God through
Jesus Christ our Lord.

594
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,120
So then, I myself serve the law
of God with my mind, but with my

595
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,680
flesh I serve the law of sin.
And maybe 8-1.

596
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,040
And 810, yeah, this is great.
This is like the the, the, the

597
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,720
good news over here.
There is therefore now no

598
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,160
condemnation for those who are
in Christ Jesus.

599
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,600
So we see this war.
I like how he says this is war.

600
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,400
Wretched man that I am, you just
can't help but just see this tug

601
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,200
back and forth and in his in his
soul.

602
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,680
So Second Corinthians, we got to
see these external sufferings

603
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,520
that Paul's experiencing.
And just so you know, I think we

604
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,280
said this, we're kind of taking
these in what we believe to be

605
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,160
the chronological order in which
Paul wrote these books.

606
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,680
Going seemingly out of order.
That's a really good point,

607
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,840
yeah.
So Romans would have come after

608
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,760
a Second Corinthians.
And so we're we're kind of

609
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,360
taking them in that order.
And you know, you see Paul in

610
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,680
what we just read in Second
Corinthians, all these external

611
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,120
physical struggles.
Now we've had a chapter devoted

612
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:16,200
to his internal struggle against
sin, someone say a besetting sin

613
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,520
and his, you know, he doesn't
tell us what the sin is or what,

614
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,760
you know, the sin family is.
But you know, the fact that we

615
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,440
have Paul, an apostle for all
these years, he's saying I, I

616
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,600
think it's something he's
dealing with, you know, maybe

617
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,880
not all the time, but is a
reoccurring thing that he deals

618
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,880
with.
It's like, it's like emotional

619
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,840
and it's like he's, he's like
the thing you see is there is a

620
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,080
fight.
It's not like there's a sin

621
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,520
that's taken over, you know?
Sometimes people say, man, I'm

622
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,520
really struggling with the sin.
And what they mean by that is

623
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,800
they're not struggling at all.
They've given over to it, right?

624
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,920
They just mean I've, I have this
sin in my life.

625
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,240
But our true struggle is where
we're fighting against it.

626
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,880
We're trying to find ways to cut
it off and to, you know, you

627
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,040
know, retrain our mind and, you
know, get rid of, you know,

628
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,680
situations where that can
happen, whether, you know,

629
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,720
you're gossiping or you're
getting angry or, you know,

630
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,400
maybe lust, anger, fear, all
those things that we we see in

631
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,560
ourselves.
How do we how do we throw off

632
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,560
that struggle?
But yeah, I appreciate Paul's

633
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,240
honesty because it.
That's good.

634
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,720
And there's this, he's like,
hey, there's this rule.

635
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,840
You know, it's like, I, I think
it was, maybe it's somewhere in

636
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,840
here where he talks about being
chained to a dead man.

637
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:38,360
And back in that culture, if you
were a murderer, sometimes they

638
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,720
would chain you to the person
you murdered.

639
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,640
And like you would just, you'd
be looking at the corpse of this

640
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,400
thing as it rotted.
And Jack has has preached and

641
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,720
taught on this, but basically
say, hey, that's what this is,

642
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,640
imagery that Paul is like, who
will, you know, deliver me from?

643
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,000
I'm chained to my dead man.
You know, obviously we won't

644
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,960
have that till we, you know, are
are dead.

645
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:09,080
OK, very good. 9/1 through
three.

646
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,120
And you read that really long
passage.

647
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:16,200
I will take this one just as.
Yeah, Says I am telling the

648
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,680
truth in Christ.
I am not lying.

649
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,040
My conscience testifies with me
in the Holy Spirit that I have

650
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,320
great sorrow and unceasing grief
in my heart.

651
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,160
For I wish that I myself were
accursed, separated from Christ

652
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,040
for the sake of my brethren, my
kinsmen, according to the flesh.

653
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,080
That's crazy to me.
Yeah, it is really crazy.

654
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,080
Paul.
You're crazy.

655
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,160
Paul's like, hey, I wish I could
go to hell.

656
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,640
Yeah.
So that my kinsmen would have

657
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,680
Christ.
Yeah, that that that's that's

658
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,880
pretty, pretty strong really
making this this point that man,

659
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,760
the the word of God hasn't
hasn't failed.

660
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,400
I'm, I'm with you, Jewish, you
know, Jews.

661
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,440
I'm, I'm on your team.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

662
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:06,000
All right.
And then Romans 1514 through 33,

663
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:17,159
we talked about this.
It's really, I don't know how

664
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:21,360
much maybe we can summarize it.
Or does it make sense to try to

665
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,600
read that longer?
It's really his philosophy of

666
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,320
ministry and then his, hey, pray
for me, you know, and his, his

667
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,239
plans for travel.
And I think we'll see some of

668
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,159
that later on, 'cause.
I I think I think you're right.

669
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:35,719
Yeah.
All right.

670
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,320
So maybe if we kind of look at
the suffering servant kind of

671
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,360
theme all together, you know,
he's not trying to cover up that

672
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,360
there's troubles.
He's transparent about his

673
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,920
external weaknesses.
Yeah, internal weaknesses.

674
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,719
That, that that's so good
because I think it's something I

675
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,960
struggle with too.
It's like, how much do you share

676
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,760
or not share?
And I think we've all been part

677
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,080
of this like Bible study where
it's like, what are you guys

678
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,600
struggling with?
And someone's like, I didn't

679
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,040
read the Bible today and you're
like, OK, like if this is not

680
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,400
authentic, this is like not.
Helping.

681
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,720
Me out, you know what I mean?
I was serving Christ this way,

682
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:12,040
but then I thought afterwards he
probably wanted me to serve him

683
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,920
a different way.
Like that's the confession.

684
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,320
Yeah, yeah.
So it's like, you know, and so

685
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,000
I, I think that is it's good to,
you know, every, there's

686
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,840
different venues for different,
different things, but that that

687
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,960
honestly it transpires even like
you don't need to be too

688
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,080
prideful to share different
needs or things going on, you

689
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:30,960
know?
Yeah.

690
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,960
I like this under the the
threading the themes a section,

691
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,160
you know, Second Corinthians
12/9 through 10.

692
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,600
Paul is weak, yet he's strong.
So he's, you know, his power is

693
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,320
perfected in his dependence on
God.

694
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,800
First Corinthians 4/9 through
16, he's ashamed yet confident

695
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,640
like it's shamed before men
'cause he's kind of weak there.

696
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,480
But you know, that doesn't mean
he's failed before.

697
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:57,920
That's right.
That's.

698
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:02,560
Right. 2nd Corinthians 610 He's
sorrowful, yet rejoicing.

699
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,360
Joy isn't the absence of pain,
but the presence of Christ. 1st

700
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,320
Corinthians 1510 He's laboring,
yet he's resting.

701
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,440
So grace energizes what he's
doing.

702
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:18,800
Romans 15 which we kind of
summarized, he's suffering, yet

703
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,440
he's still sending forth.
He's still planning his mission.

704
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,920
I do like this the the opposite,
kind of like this, but this,

705
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,720
this, but this.
That's so good 'cause I think

706
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:28,680
that's a lot of the Christian
life.

707
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,760
It's positive, but there is
struggle.

708
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, hey, if you have hardships,

709
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,200
that doesn't mean that God
doesn't love you.

710
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,880
In fact, Hebrews would say if
you are loved by God, he is

711
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,120
going to discipline you.
You know, in the Upper Room

712
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,200
discourse, Jesus says, hey,
you're if you abide in me,

713
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,960
you're gonna bear much fruit and
I'm going to prune you.

714
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,200
It's a.
Fact.

715
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:59,840
Yeah.
So you should expect it if

716
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,760
you're a leader, you know, our
culture is different.

717
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,400
So you, you had to judge.
But transparency that you

718
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,720
struggle in areas you know, it
is, is probably good.

719
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:14,040
And obviously you're you're
working on those areas.

720
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:20,440
Hopefully, and for everyone, the
Gospel does not remove the

721
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,800
thorns of life.
Yeah, we wish they would wish

722
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,800
that would happen all the time.
This is not going to happen with

723
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,320
everything.
Yeah, yeah, There's this guy

724
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,520
that I listen to, Greg Kukul,
and he was saying, you know,

725
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,200
when you are saved, Christ isn't
a bridge over the troubled

726
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,080
waters.
It's a tug through the troubled

727
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,160
waters.
If you can hold on and he's

728
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,480
like, it's, it's a, it's a rough
ride sometimes, but it's, it's

729
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,400
a, it's a tub through those
rough waters.

730
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,080
Obviously that same mindset that
we read in Second Corinthians

731
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,520
where he says we're building up
an eternal way of glory.

732
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,880
These sufferings, those present
things that you're going

733
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,040
through, you are God is using
that to build up an eternal way

734
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,680
of glory.
I love it.

735
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,840
This is great.
Next week, what are we?

736
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,240
What are we?
We're continuing on through some

737
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:10,160
of this.
Yeah, so we already did talk

738
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,640
about the prison epistles.
So we're going to kind of maybe

739
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,880
look back at some of the
autobiographical things Paul

740
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,560
says while he's in prison and
see, you know, like his

741
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,440
attitude.
So it'll be maybe a little bit

742
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,160
of repeat.
But hey, Paul said, you know,

743
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:29,040
rejoice always.
It's not difficult for me to to

744
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,480
repeat it.
I'll say it again.

745
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,920
Rejoice.
So.

746
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,520
So we'll see a little, we'll
kind of see a little bit of Paul

747
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:37,480
being a prisoner.
I forgot.

748
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,280
Sweet.
Well, I'm looking forward to

749
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,480
that.
That is our take.

750
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,480
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751
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,800
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752
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