Programs with a Purpose – Ministry That Bears Fruit

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All right, Michael, close your
eyes.

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Do you do you recognize this
sound to our listeners

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recognize.
Something sounds like I'm at

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Miyabi's.
You can open your eyes.

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I got the little spatula.
Things just got a Blackstone

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like last week.
Nice, nice.

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Living life.
I know you are the Blackstone

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veteran.
Well, if I do say so myself, No,

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I Yeah.
We came home with Blackstone in

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January.
So if you know, if you call,

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what is that?
February, March, April, May,

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Four months.
Yeah.

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Veteran.
Yeah.

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You know what you're I'll have
to ask you for some advice.

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Just got like my grill bit the
dust.

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I just, you know, rusting out,
getting old.

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And I was looking at grills and
truth be told, I mean, really in

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my mind, Blackstone was like
this like bajillion dollar

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thing.
And you can actually find and I

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found this like a deal at
Tractor Supply.

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And it's like they're like, I
mean, it's like a grill.

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It's like a normal and they're
like, Oh, this is cool.

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I didn't know any.
I've never like had a Blackstone

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before that like griddle.
That thing's like heavy the like

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it's.
Like the metal thing that sits

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on thing that's.
Amazing how like this is like,

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it's like basically like a, you
know, cast like a giant skillet

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thing.
It's really cool.

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Yeah, we had to take it apart
and we laid that down on my

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truck bed because, yeah, it was
great.

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So what have you cooked so far?
Oh man, I, Wei Yan, can testify

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to this.
I, I, I have to watch myself a

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little bit.
I, I think I do have an

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addictive personality with
certain things where I can do

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the same thing over and over.
If I get really into it, there

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is a phase.
Like the same food over and over

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again.
Oh well, I eat a lot of.

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I fall into some patterns kind
of, but it's more with like.

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Activities like 6 at a setting
or something.

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I'm trying to think of some of
my phases.

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Leanne can probably tell you I
get I get into something, it's

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like, oh, I'm all about this
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I'm like researching all the
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But Blackstone didn't know I
wanted one until I saw one and

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it was like reasonably priced.
I needed to grill anyway.

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Memorial Day was coming up.
I'm going to be grilling out and

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I've been doing, I've done the
smash burger so.

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Good.
So good.

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So easy.
So fast.

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So easy.
Everything cooks.

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So fast I'm just painting what
she said.

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But it's so true.
Aw man, and do you?

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How do you season your burgers?
Leanne, it has some, I don't

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know what it is, but it's some
something.

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There's a seasoning and I'm
trying to remember the company,

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but it's called the blend and
it's just some salt, pepper and

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some garlic.
And we use that on our burgers

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and it's like it's just like the
perfect proportion.

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Just sprinkle it on.
And for me, like you can get a,

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a package of ground beef.
OK, yeah, yeah.

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And then what I will do is I
will take however much it

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weighs.
And I try to get my patties

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around .3 lbs, like, you know,
around 1/3 of a pound somewhere

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around there.
So I like, you know, you can

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basically take however much it
weighs, multiply it by three.

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So if you have a 4 LB package of
ground beef, you weren't gonna

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get around 12 patties out of.
That Oh yeah.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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So then I just cut these
squares.

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Just make it easy.
I've seen this.

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Yeah, and I just throw those
like Boo, yeah, I'll sprinkle

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the whole package with the the
stuff.

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And then when you smush it out,
it seems like it's a good

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proportions.
It's like there's no like Patty

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making or anything.
You just cut it and.

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That thing cooks like you said.
Throw those things on there.

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Do you have like the little
round smasher?

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Oh yeah, yeah, I, I buy, I
should have brought this thing I

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bought like it's cheap because I
didn't know what I wanted, but I

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bought like this thing off
everyone's like 30 black stove

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accessories for like it's cheap,
like 30 bucks or something.

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But I was like got a million
different things that are

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probably not that great, but I'm
like learning with them.

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But yeah, I've got one of those
smashed things.

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Yeah, so I got this round thing
gives a piece of parchment

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paper.
Do you do that?

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So I did read parchment paper.
What I I did use parchment

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paper.
This is probably not good.

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I just like I got it came with
like the squirt bottles.

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I just like squirted a bunch of
oil on the side of it.

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You know what I mean?
But I did read you're supposed

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to use parchment.
Paper, Yeah.

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So yeah, I just put parchment
paper on there, smash it down.

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Parchment paper smashed down.
And it's like it happens so

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quickly.
So quick, you don't have to

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worry about, oh, is this media?
Is this.

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Well, yeah, like, Sir, like
really cooked through.

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I like my.
You don't have to worry about

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that.
Just boom.

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Flip it over basically a minute
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Two minutes after you flip it
over, man, put some cheese on

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there.
Oh.

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Man.
Let it.

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Let that cheese melt.
Crack an egg on the black stove.

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That's what I did.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
And put the egg.

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It's like you can just do
something.

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We thought about doing that.
We should start doing that.

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You should.
Oh, this morning had breakfast

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on there just threw the we just
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We did some bacon, some pancakes
and some eggs and it just, you

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have so much real.
Estate, I know.

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You could just I can.
I can what I what your hand

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makes fun of me.
Like I like cooking eggs.

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I'll do that as like a snack,
like at night and I'll wait.

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She'll be like, she'll hear me
scream back up.

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Did you break the yolk?
I'm like, yes, I broke the yolk

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'cause everything's like, so I
got like 3 or 4 eggs.

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It's all tight.
All the space in the world.

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Got the double spatula.
You can get things where you

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want to.
I've got the spatula that's

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probably like this.
That's.

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What I need to get 4 smash
burgers?

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Oh, it's it's.
Just.

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You get under.
Yeah, you can get underneath all

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of it, Yeah.
It's it's so good.

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So I did smash burgers, had to
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with the rice and.
How did that work?

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Worked.
Worked out really good.

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Yeah, really everything is like.
Did you do the rice like a day

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ahead of?
Time I did.

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Yeah, I remember you said that.
We did that and then this

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afternoon do some steaks on the
grill and Leanne does not like

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steak.
Some chicken and it turned.

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Out really good.
We got to talk.

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Don't like steak?
What's going on?

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I know, let's go.
Well, This is why she doesn't

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like steak because she likes all
of her food cooked like well

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done.
And so I wouldn't like steak

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either.
You know what I'm saying?

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Like if you're just going to
like, burn it.

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I don't like belts.
I don't like to eat a leather

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belt, you know?
So I, I think I, I mean.

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She doesn't like to see any
Nope, red or pink on there.

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Nope.
She's like, not for me.

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So I think that's it, you know?
Man, I know what what do her

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parents do to her?
I I know, I know.

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We're gonna need, we need to
have an intervention like where

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we just have.
Force feed her.

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At least like medium.
Yeah, yeah, just yeah.

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Maybe even medium well where
there's just like there's a ton

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of white pink in there that
that's good.

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Like 'cause I've slowly worked
out I will when I order a steak

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at a restaurant I'll tell them
medium rare because of if it's

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medium rare or medium I'm fine.
Yep, you give a little buffer

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if.
It's medium well.

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I'm not happy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'm not.
Happy.

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I'm right there with you.
I don't.

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I and if someone I don't besides
my wife.

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The other thing is medium.
Well, what?

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I don't trust you.
I don't trust you.

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I'll catch you a little funny.
I'm like, what's what's your

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angle?
Like what you got going on?

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Yeah, but Blackstone been a game
changer.

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There's nothing I just love.
Maybe because it's still season

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and that that's outside, you
know?

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Oh, it's outside you're.
Easy to clean.

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It's actually super easy.
Got one of those like I kind of

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like right now I'm probably
gonna just like, I like cleaning

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it, you know what I mean?
It's like, I don't know, there's

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something about it because I
was, I was a little bit worried.

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I bought it.
Then I was looking up all these

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like I was like, oh, what should
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And I was looking at all these
threads and I was reading like

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the like the hardcore people are
like ridiculous.

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And they're like, well, it's,
it's a griddle, not a grill.

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They're like, if you really
want, you need to have your

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grill.
You need to have your griddle

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and you have your smoker.
I was like, well, that's not the

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world I'm living in.
I'm picking up 1.

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I feel like that's like just be
the best of all worlds because

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you do have that real estate.
Just throw it down.

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And it's like, I do like grill
Marks and I kind of think, but

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the steak tasted so good.
It worked.

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It worked out great.
Like so good I still have my old

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grill and because you.
Just added this.

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Because I just added it because
we got it as a gift from our in

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laws.
Because he wasn't, he wasn't

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using it.
So.

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And since I've had the
Blackstone, I've used the grill

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twice.
Yeah.

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And the meals that I cook on
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So Jill and the kids really like
this meal where you take chicken

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breasts.
OK Yeah.

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You marinate them in honey
mustard.

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OK, I like the sound of this.
And then when you grill them,

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you top it with like a slice of
bacon and some cheese.

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Oh, that sounds good.
I was doing that in the normal

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grill.
I'm like, I'm going to see how

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this works In the Blackstone.
It worked fine.

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It was fine.
So I don't know, I don't know if

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I'll use my other.
Maybe I should just go ahead and

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sell my grill and.
Make that money and just

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Blackstone I'd like, so I'll
have to check back in.

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I'm like so sold on this thing.
It's just like easy for the

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ease.
It is easy and like you can cook

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stuff at high heat.
I love the smoke goes smoke goes

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outside.
You're not.

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There's a house.
Stinky.

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Yeah, so good.
Maybe a Blackstone and a smoker,

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but I don't think I would need a
Blackstone and a grill.

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Vegetables are great.
I've been cooking like onions on

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there, you know, like with a
smashed burger.

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Burger had some onions on there.
It's like so, so good.

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Couldn't be more please.
I I'm now I'm like, OK, I need

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to start like looking up more,
more recipes to try.

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But it's been and and like
you're saying, I think things

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cook pretty fast on there like
I'm you get going.

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It's great.
And we do have a signing

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This podcast is now sponsored by

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Black Something.
Yeah, I love it.

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I love it.
Sometimes I just because I'm,

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I'm annoying kind of guy, I just
walk around the house with the

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spatulas, just, you know, just
trying to keep my Skittles.

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Sharp and Leanne and the boys
like that.

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You know, the boys definitely
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And that was much.
I'm just trying to practice, you

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know, get that arc on the
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saying?
Like this?

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Practice, you know?
Yeah, like trying to.

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It's all on the wrist.
Yeah, yeah, God.

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I got it.
You haven't done shrimp.

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Have you done shrimp on?
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done.
I need to do that.

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So for your hibachi, did you
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What did we do?

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Basically we cut up chicken.

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Yeah, did put teriyaki sauce on

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cooking.
It makes you feel so cool, you

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Yeah, I love that.

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It's like that's happened with
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You know that's good.
So it's good, Blackstone.

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Man, you can get that crispy
rice on the bottom.

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You like crispy rice?
Yes I do.

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I do so good.
I do.

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It's great.
I mean, everything has turned

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out like so I haven't had a bad
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I'm not like the, I'm not like
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grilling or that kind of thing,
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grill.
For we hey, hey, there we go.

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Man, we should wow, I would love
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We should do it.
Hey, one of these days we should

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have a hail mutt get together.
And I told this to Chloe that

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they just set a mic in the
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you know, let's go at it, see
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You know.
So anyway, the Blackstone has

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just yielded so much fruit.
What a great, what a great

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purchase.
It's already bearing fruit,

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which dovetails nice with our
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Oh, that, that is right.
So we are on a series in our

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Thursday episodes through the
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church and we said ultimately
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And whenever I get back to doing

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announcements at our church,
probably never, but I'll say,

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you know, the purpose of the
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Then and.
Then just pause.

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Yeah.
And then we do that by, you

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know, doing those 'cause I just
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we should have that at the
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thanks to Christ likeness.
So those two, you know, dual

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things, evangelism,
medification, catching your

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fish, cleaning them, you know,
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people have prior have
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about them.
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know, while you're doing that,
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What are your priorities?
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church devoted themselves to the
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breaking bread and prayer.
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that might look in a church.
And of course, that's still

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probably not practical enough to
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of activities that you're going
to, you know, do over and over

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again, repeat that.
Try to put, you know, feet to

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the ground to it's great really
see those.

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So that's what we're going to be
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Yeah, that's the real life
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So let's get into it.
Let's go ahead and take it to

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the next level from the hearts
of the low country in South

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Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
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Talking a lot about programs,
Michael.

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That's right, Like C++ programs,
chopper programs, yeah.

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There you go.
Yeah.

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On the code.
I was going to say, you know,

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I've read, I've read my Bible
often and youth groups aren't in

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there.
I feel like you're just adding

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to Scripture.
Yeah, have you heard people say

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that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I have not real people but
people online in these like.

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Facebook Groups.
Yeah, like, not like people I

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talked to in a life, but they're
like youth groups.

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You're just adding that that's
we don't have children, No

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children.
And I part of me, I respect

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where they're coming from.
I think their convictions are

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strong and great.
I don't agree with them.

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pushing back against like life's
a giant pizza party until you're

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a grown up.
And that's not good, you know

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what I'm saying?
Yeah, you could do.

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You could do youth group wrong,
but you can.

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Do Yeah, that's right.
Sermons wrong.

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That's right, you can.
You know there's lots you can do

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wrong, so just because you can
do it wrong doesn't mean that in

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and of itself is is bad.
Yeah, I think that's good.

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When it comes to programs, it's
like at some point, no matter if

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you're like, I'm a purist, you
know, it's like your church

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probably has to have programs in
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So, you know, how do we know
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Not great working, not working
biblical, not the best ideas.

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I'm excited for this podcast
because I you know, it's good to

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see.
It's easy to talk without the

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actual necessity.
You know specifics.

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And as we're talking, maybe you
can do a quick look up for us,

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But maybe in Ephesians 4,
there's a passage that talks

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about, you know, singing a song
hymn, each one having something

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to share.
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Paul kind of gives a similar
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a church service.
But while you're looking that

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up, we do have those kind of
verses, and maybe there's other

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verses that you're thinking of
that kind of give you some basic

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guidance as to what you're going
to do at a church service.

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But there's not a whole lot of,
you know, explicit instructions

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for do this, then this, then
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challenge where things are all

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over the place.
I think it's a, it's a two way

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St.
It's a challenge, but it's also,

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you know, a little bit freeing
and one way, but you don't want

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to abuse that.
So in Ephesians chapter 5, I

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will start in verse.
We'll just start in verse 18.

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It says don't get drunk with
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filled with the Spirit
addressing one another in psalms

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and hymns and spiritual songs,
singing and making melody to the

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Lord with your heart, giving
things always and for everything

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to God the Father and name of
the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Is that what you're looking for
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Submitting to one another out of

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reverence for Christ.
Yeah, so here we're kind of told

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this is one of those one
another's and the one and others

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is singing songs, spiritual
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So, you know, we at our church,
we spend quite a bit of time,

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you know, in our song service.
I mean, we had a great song

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service yesterday.
Whoever the whoever was leading

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that just knocked it out of the
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Yeah, yeah.
And then there's like different

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ways you can do it.
I think I, I like our church

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weep guides, several if I think
it can go wrong when you have

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too many people, too many cooks
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But it's nice people take their
own kind of like style a little

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bit.
It's like different, but it's

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all kind of under the same
umbrella.

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Yeah, and I've never shared this
with.

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Breaking news, You heard it here
first.

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Chris or Tim, I assume that I
don't.

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I don't think people are, are,
are, are meeting I'll towards

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anyone, but I've had a couple
people say, you know, I really

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appreciate it when you lead
singing.

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And I assume that there are
people that come up to Chris and

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Tim and say, I really appreciate
it when you lead singing.

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So you, you get this kind of
variety, different

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personalities.
So it's not the same and it

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helps, it's helpful for me
'cause I like leading, but I

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also like being LED sometimes.
So, you know, you're not always

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each week trying to come up
with, you know what songs.

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You're gonna sing.
Yeah, yeah.

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That I, I I like that.
Really good example of different

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different giftings and that kind
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All right.
And then this other passage, I

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said First Corinthians 13, but
that is the love chapter, as

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everyone knows.
But if you go through 1st

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Corinthians 14, there's these
overall kind of principles.

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You know, obviously First
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church at Corinth was dealing
with struggling with speaking in

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tongues.
So he's going to have a lot of

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stuff that kind of limits that.
But he's going to talk about,

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you know, each person, you know,
you get together, someone may

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share a prophecy, someone may
share a tongue if there's an

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interpreter there.
But, you know, it's very and

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it's not very didactic.
And on what you're going to get,

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it's, it's big broad principles
instead of, you know,

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particulars.
Yeah, I I like the very least.

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Maybe worship should be orderly,
should be building one another

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up when it starts becoming chaos
or all about me or something.

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You know, you're you're kind of
walking down the wrong, wrong

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St.
All right, So what programs?

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So, you know, when we say church
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like Awana or Pastor Pirate, and
those would definitely fall into

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that category category.
But even, you know, your worship

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service, that's a program.
Your serving time, that's a

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program.
How do you do Sunday school?

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Do you have Sunday?
School.

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Do you have Sunday?
School.

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Yeah.
That's the modern invention kind

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of, right?
Small groups, potlucks, you

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know, all the, the normal
activities that you go through,

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plus you're, you know, maybe
there was a time that we used to

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have Western Day.
We don't do that anymore.

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We used to go around during
Halloween and we would hand

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candy out.
We don't do those, But so we

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evaluate those things and we
decide, do we want to keep doing

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this?
Is this something that we think

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is paying its dividend?
You know, so you all of those

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would be under the scope of what
we're talking about today for

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programs.
Yeah, that's good.

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So really, I mean, pretty broad
category, a lot of options.

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And within that that like you
say, Sunday school, that's a big

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decision.
And then Sunday school could be

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done 18 different, different
ways.

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You know what I'm saying?
Like so you have like.

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You could break this down more
and more as you kind of go down

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the list.
Yeah, and so I'm sure you come

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from different background, you
know, maybe than what you we do

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at CBC.
You know, I grew up in a

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background where you kind of
just headset Sunday schools and

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there was some literature that
was put out by our.

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Development, we actually had a
lot of Sunday school classes,

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like we had a more, a lot more
than CBC where it was like you

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had like the young singles, you
had the young marriage, you had

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the, the whatever.
You had like a bunch of

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categories, but it was like just
that instead of and it would run

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a lot of times on curriculum.
I think you're right, like every

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little age group, it was almost
like how they do it in

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elementary school, just kind of
scaled up across the board.

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Yeah, maybe not as many, but I
think they had the same basics.

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So you have like the older, the
older class would be like the

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older women, the older men.
I don't know why they're already

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always separated.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I think separate, you know,
separating men and women can be

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good for a time in the season.
And then we have like a college

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age class and then you might
have the young men's class or

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something like that or, or.
Something.

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Yeah.
And you could do that a

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bajillion, yeah.
So many different ways.

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Every church, like you were
saying, does it different.

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We have like one or two classes
usually.

453
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,200
Right for our adults.
For our adults.

454
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,360
Yeah.
And then sometimes our teens are

455
00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:26,360
with us and sometimes they're
separate, depending.

456
00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:28,320
On what they're women,
sometimes, most time it's all

457
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,480
together, but it takes these
different shapes.

458
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,360
Yeah, I think we're more
variable because we're looking

459
00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:35,760
like what we want to teach.
What's the best way to to split

460
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,280
that up?
All right, so why programs

461
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,680
matter?
They are kind of like we talked

462
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,960
about, they're the where the
river meets the road.

463
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,840
They're the vehicles for if you
want to be about fellowship and

464
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,480
the prayer and the word and
breaking bread, you're going to

465
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,760
have to have something that does
those.

466
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,960
And so you should view your time
of and singing and worship, or

467
00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,480
your Sunday school or your small
groups.

468
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,320
Or your times on Wednesday
nights or whatever, whatever you

469
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,800
do is, is this a time where
we're primarily, you know, about

470
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:09,920
God's word?
Are we primarily about

471
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,080
fellowship?
Are we primarily about, you

472
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,440
know, worship, breaking a bread,
remembering Christ and who he

473
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,000
is?
Are we primarily without prayer?

474
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,200
And you should have some
programs, some things that you

475
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,520
do that emphasize those four
different categories.

476
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,640
Yeah, that's really good because
whether you're cognizant of it

477
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,040
or not, you're communicating to
the church, go where or to the

478
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,200
outside world.
Like these are things that

479
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,760
actually matter.
And This is why they matter,

480
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,400
because we are about expository
teaching.

481
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,760
Every every time you come and
hear a sermon, we're going

482
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,040
through a book or most time
you're sending a message that's

483
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,880
really important to us that we
are in God's word versus like

484
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,680
other churches might do like,
hey, it's like we'll do movie of

485
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,120
the month or something and we're
working through that.

486
00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:53,280
And you might be like, OK, they
care about God, but they're kind

487
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,000
of coming out at a different.
You're communicating all of

488
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:56,920
these things.
Right.

489
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,160
And you could have movie of the
month, but I wouldn't wouldn't

490
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,360
want to supplant.
The people like the primary

491
00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:02,160
thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

492
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,440
Yeah, you want to keep the big
things, big things like I think

493
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,000
this year we're going to do our
second annual pickle.

494
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,720
Ball.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

495
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,480
Yeah.
And So what we're saying about

496
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,400
that is fellowship is important
to us.

497
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,440
It, it is a key part of the
church dynamic.

498
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,400
That's a program.
And so you know, it's going to

499
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,280
help us to implement some of the
what we want to get done.

500
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,760
Here's one, that one thing about
worship, one thing that I grew

501
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,080
up with a lot that was a staple.
And then it's not a staple at

502
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,200
CBC, but it's funny getting to
like pattern.

503
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,200
I think this is a good thing.
I've only been a member at not

504
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,840
that many churches.
That's probably better than

505
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,880
being a member of like 55
churches, but we like like it

506
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,400
was like a huge deal.
I feel like it was always like,

507
00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:44,960
I thought every church did like
special music or like a like we

508
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,120
had a choir and then we had like
it would always, you know, maybe

509
00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:50,520
be like the same 15 people, but
it was like always like it was

510
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,560
usually during the offering.
It was like special music time

511
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,160
or something like that.
It was like a staple kind of

512
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,320
thing.
And it's funny, like, you know,

513
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,880
you think about regular church,
like, what patterns do you like

514
00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:01,240
default to or fall into?
You know what I mean?

515
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,840
No, that's good because similar
we would have a a special I I

516
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,120
think my church, I say my
church, the church where I grew

517
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,160
up, they have gone away from
that too.

518
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,840
But maybe so.
Maybe it was.

519
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,440
A time.
Cultural in time and maybe

520
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,640
churches as a whole are moving
away from that.

521
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,720
But we had we would have a
special almost every Sunday

522
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,760
morning where someone sang and
then we had what we did a third

523
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,040
Sunday singing.
So every 3rd Sunday of the month

524
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,400
we would just have that whole.
Well, we also had preaching 2

525
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,280
times, Sunday morning preaching
and Sunday.

526
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,400
Night preaching.
And but every 3rd Sunday, we

527
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,320
would take Sunday preaching off
at night.

528
00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:41,880
OK.
And then you would just have

529
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,760
anyone who wanted to sing a
special or if you had, you know,

530
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,000
you could play or something.
And then you would have like a

531
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,560
potluck after that.
Oh, yeah.

532
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,240
And it was, it was good.
Yeah.

533
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,320
Yeah, that's that's that's one
of those two services of Sunday.

534
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:56,920
I feel like that was a cultural
thing.

535
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,600
Man has fallen, by the way.
Back at that now I'm like, how

536
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,160
in the world did we do that?
How did?

537
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,040
How our how did our pastor
preach 100 sermons a year?

538
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,480
Or like, you know what I mean?
It's crazy.

539
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,960
Yeah, that is crazy.
That man, a lot of yeah, 'cause

540
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,520
I, I feel like you talk to most
people and most, most places

541
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,640
don't do that as a general rule.
Yeah, yeah.

542
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,560
All right.
So these programs, they help you

543
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,640
organize, implement your
church's biblical purposes and

544
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,760
priorities and practical ways.
And if we just say, hey, we are

545
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,680
about fellowship, but you don't
ever have a pickle bar pickle

546
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,640
ball night or you don't ever,
you know, have small groups get

547
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,960
together, then are you, are you
really about fellowship?

548
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,560
Yeah, you're not putting it into
practice.

549
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,760
There's no meaningful way for
that to happen.

550
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,840
No vehicle to get to your
destination.

551
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,040
Yeah, you're just it, just lip
service.

552
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,840
Yeah.
So if we say, you know, we're

553
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,880
going to glorify God and we want
to bring sinners to Christ,

554
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,760
Saints to Christ likeness, and
we in doing that, we think that

555
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,360
falls into these 4 categories,
teaching God's Word, fellowship,

556
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,360
worship, prayer.
Here are some things that might

557
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:06,400
fall into those categories.
So for teaching, we've already

558
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,240
talked about Sunday school, men
and women's Bible studies.

559
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,640
Maybe it's a youth group, youth
conference, you know, maybe once

560
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,960
a year we have like a focus on
missionaries or maybe your

561
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,360
church has a revival once a year
or something.

562
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,160
You know, you may have a special
time where you're looking at the

563
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,800
word.
So all those types of things

564
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,520
would kind of fall into that
broad category of, you know,

565
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,400
Bible focused programs.
It's great fellowship.

566
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,800
If you're from a Baptist
background, potlucks are a

567
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,160
staple.
Gotta have that.

568
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,360
Small groups.
Just like there's minimum Bible

569
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:39,840
study for teaching, some of that
can be a means where you're

570
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,040
probably going to connect people
in a fellowship way a little bit

571
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,520
more.
Same thing retreats, so these

572
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,680
can be multi, they can work from
multiple perspectives.

573
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,320
It's not like this.
We're only teaching here.

574
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,480
Don't talk to your friend.
It just kind of naturally sets

575
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,200
yourself up.
If you do an overnight, a treat

576
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,040
or you know something here and
there, you're just facilitating

577
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,520
fellowship.
Sometimes like a service

578
00:24:58,520 --> 00:24:59,800
project.
Can be.

579
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:00,720
That's right, that's right.
That's.

580
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,920
Right, venue for fellowship, you
know, you get people rubbing

581
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,400
shoulders together and it could
be ladies putting together, you

582
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,120
know, decorating this maybe an
older lady's house or something

583
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,720
that's even, you know, you.
Or you could have men that are

584
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,840
renovating a house or you know,
those are good times of

585
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,440
fellowship because often you get
to know someone more when you're

586
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,840
doing stuff like that.
Then you are just sitting, you

587
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,480
know, you know.
Totally agree and like it was a

588
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,960
worship I see communions on
here.

589
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,800
I feel like that's all over the
map.

590
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,000
Like, we do it once a month.
A lot of places do it once a

591
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,360
week, a lot of places do it once
a quarter, like on a Sunday

592
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:36,200
night, you know, like it's all
over the map.

593
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,640
Yeah, we did it once 1/4 every
5th Sunday at where we grew up I

594
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,960
believe.
And probably, I think now once a

595
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,080
month is probably your minimum.
Right, right.

596
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It it seems like there should be

597
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:55,720
some significance to it where
once 1/4 it was a Sunday night

598
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,360
and every night it was like
every time the sermon like

599
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:00,440
revolved around the Lord's
Supper was like, OK, we're doing

600
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,000
this thing again.
It was like the same.

601
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,160
I don't know.
It got it was not.

602
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,520
It was not a great, great
emphasis.

603
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,360
All right, so let me just be
honest and transparent, and I'd

604
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:11,800
like to say the same from you.
When I was younger and we would

605
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,920
have people give their
testimonies, I was always like,

606
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,680
no, I don't really know if I
like this.

607
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,360
But as I've gotten older, yeah,
I've enjoyed it more.

608
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,600
Did you experience?
I loved it the whole time

609
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,040
because God is honored.
And that's.

610
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:22,880
No, I'm just kidding.
Yeah.

611
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,200
As a kid, I think you don't
appreciate some of this quite as

612
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,240
much.
Like we're just adding 5 minutes

613
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,040
to whatever activity we're doing
or you know.

614
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,920
But I think testimonies like
especially you get someone,

615
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:34,880
they're kind of just telling
their life story.

616
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,320
Yeah, it is a it's kind of one
way fellowship, but as a means

617
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,040
of getting to know no folks,
yeah.

618
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,240
Well, I like, I like that a lot.
Prayer.

619
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,600
Every church pride is prayer a
little bit different.

620
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,040
Whether you have a dedicated
prayer night, whether you have a

621
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,800
prayer team.
I know some places do some

622
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,560
places of prayer chains or
gossip chains, depends on how

623
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,960
you use it.
You know, it could be like I, I

624
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,480
love it there.
We should just, we should do a

625
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,280
whole episode on like unspoken
prayer requests.

626
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,960
It's great, you know.
I've got 7 unspoken SO.

627
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,880
They're really important
unspoken though, like, you know,

628
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,040
it's crazy.
So there's a, there's a bunch of

629
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,040
different ways you can try to
emphasize all these different

630
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,400
facets.
It's just, you know, are you

631
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,640
going to do that and how are you
doing?

632
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,920
It all right, so those are kind
of the the programs, why they

633
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,160
matter what they, you know,
examples of them, how you, you

634
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:28,280
might evaluate them.
Matthew 717 through 20 talks

635
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,520
about a good tree bearing good
fruit, a bad tree bearing bad

636
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,520
fruit.
And I think that's talking about

637
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,040
people there.
But you could, you know, use

638
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,520
that principle to say, are we
bearing the fruit that we want

639
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,320
to out of this ministry?
And, you know, you could be like

640
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,120
our sermon ministry is just not
bearing the fruit.

641
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:48,520
We need to get rid of the
sermons all together.

642
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,240
Probably not where you're going
to go.

643
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,520
Yeah, maybe you're like, hey,
maybe we're not doing sermons

644
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,760
effect.
It's like, hey, we're not.

645
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,880
Maybe you're like, oh, we should
do expositional preaching.

646
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,720
Or it's like, oh, this is not
like landing.

647
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,240
Or yeah, you probably wouldn't
be like, I guess we're not doing

648
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,640
teaching anymore.
But you're right.

649
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,960
It's like maybe maybe you are in
a small group and it is nothing

650
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,480
but gossip and you're like, OK,
that's not good for maybe we

651
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,840
need to like fix.
It up retool yeah, that's good.

652
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:15,920
So here's some questions that
you might ask about your

653
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,600
program.
Is your program clearly

654
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,640
supporting evangelism or
edification and, and is doing

655
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,880
through that through one of
those four Acts 242 principles?

656
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,240
If, if you can't tie something
you're doing to something like

657
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,600
that, yeah, it it may not be,
you know.

658
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,680
Yeah, you should definitely.
Fill in your role, the role it

659
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,560
should be.
Bigger question, is Christ

660
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,000
glorified in it?
If there if, if God and Jesus

661
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,520
Christ is not getting glory,
probably not doing it right.

662
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,000
No, Yeah, Yeah, that's good.
And do you see some fruit out of

663
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,240
it?
Are are, do you see people

664
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,960
growing in their faith and their
knowledge and their love and

665
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,800
their service or maybe the
opposite?

666
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,560
And if it's the opposite, you
know, maybe we should think

667
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,240
about retooling it or, or
cutting it.

668
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,240
And good question.
If this program disappeared

669
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,640
tomorrow, would the mission of
the church suffer?

670
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,480
That's great.
You're always kind of tying it

671
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,320
back to that mission, making
sure it's staying.

672
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,200
Connected and really this is all
to talk about impact and needing

673
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,360
to to cut impact.
Now Zach is our impact leader,

674
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,960
so.
That's good.

675
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,320
You have some warning signs.
We've done this for the last 80

676
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,920
years.
We're going to keep doing it, by

677
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,520
golly.
Why are you doing this?

678
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,720
Because we have always done it
this way.

679
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,960
Probably not your best answer.
You know, yeah, that that's the

680
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,040
only reason you're doing
something not not great.

681
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,520
Here's a good one.
Leaders dread it.

682
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,040
No one's excited.
People are just going out of

683
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,400
like obligation.
Not great either.

684
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,560
Yeah.
And, and there's, I think

685
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,800
there's a time and place to
discipline yourself to do

686
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:45,640
something that's good.
Yeah.

687
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,720
But if everyone is like, why are
we doing this again, then maybe

688
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,120
even if you take a break.
I think like we took a break

689
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,040
from our Valentine's dinner one
year just 'cause it felt like.

690
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,040
Mix it up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

691
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,960
It's tired.
Yeah, it has been tired and we

692
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,520
needed to rethink it, revamp it
and maybe this year was our

693
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:03,840
first year back after we took a
break.

694
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,320
I don't remember.
Yeah, I think you might be

695
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:05,920
right.
Yeah.

696
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,280
But we we kind of did things
just a little bit different this

697
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,080
year and I think it kind of
breath some new life into it so.

698
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,320
No, I, I like that a lot.
It's OK to take breaks, mix it

699
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,600
up.
Another, another warning sign is

700
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,120
it becomes a source of pride or
it's like, this is my territory,

701
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,160
this is my thing.
And you're kind of, you know,

702
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,600
building an identity around that
rather than the mission that can

703
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,720
be, or if it was, which can be
hard because there's certain

704
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,000
things you probably have
giftings towards and you feel

705
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,600
very passionate about.
And a lot of that's not a bad

706
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,640
thing at all, but you can take
that maybe too far.

707
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,560
That's good, yeah.
And So what we're suggesting is

708
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,720
that sometimes programs should
come and go.

709
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,400
The needs of your church are
going to change.

710
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,640
You know, sometimes people just
want some novelty.

711
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,360
They just want something new,
something that's different.

712
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,560
It doesn't mean that there was
necessarily anything bad with

713
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,400
it.
But as long as you, you know,

714
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,880
they should not become sacred
cows, there's like there's very

715
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,920
little in Scripture that tells
you, you know how to apply this.

716
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,840
So it's OK if you switch out
Awana for patch to pirates or

717
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,680
you do something different if if
that's what's called for.

718
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,160
Now that that that is good
because programs can become

719
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,680
idolaters.
I was trying to think of, it's

720
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,960
always hard to think of like
specific examples because you'll

721
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,160
be like, well, Michael, this,
you know, this program has

722
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,160
become idolatrous.
But I think like we have had

723
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,400
some good examples of where
we've like like, I think that's

724
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,080
great.
Valentine's bank.

725
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,880
It's like, man, let's take a
break, let's mix it up, let's do

726
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,360
something different for
Thanksgiving or whatever it is,

727
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,040
and I think there's something
there.

728
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,200
And the year we took off, I
think we had, was it the year

729
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,880
that we had impact like provide
free babysitting?

730
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,120
We just said, hey, we encourage.
You.

731
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,240
Yeah, maybe we have something
like that.

732
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,600
We've done that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

733
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,440
Where we're like, we're going to
provide free babysitting, drop

734
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,640
your kids off, go, you know,
spend some time together 'cause

735
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,880
we're encouraging that husband
and wife relationship.

736
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,200
So you know, there's different
ways to meet those needs.

737
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,920
Yeah, I, I love that.
Don't hold things too closely,

738
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,680
because when you do, there's
something, Yeah, that that that

739
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,960
can be a yellow, yellow flagon
like that.

740
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,320
Yeah, here's some examples.
You know, choir wars.

741
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,400
I've never heard of a choir war,
but.

742
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:11,920
Honestly, let's do it.
Choir war.

743
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,320
That sounds kind of fun.
Watch out for the basses.

744
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,600
Nice.
If you have like old tired out

745
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,040
youth programs no really longer
connecting to the youth, maybe

746
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,320
you need to re evaluate those.
Maybe, you know, we used to do

747
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,680
door to door.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think, I

748
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,040
think that's another cultural
thing.

749
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,920
Yeah.
And so we would knock on

750
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,360
people's door, give them the
gospel.

751
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,280
I'm not saying that's wrong.
I think maybe it's less

752
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,240
effective in today's worse.
And worse and HOA like.

753
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,720
No Trulicity.
Everyone gets so mad.

754
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,800
You're on Facebook and
everyone's like, oh, these this

755
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,440
church is doing this again or.
Whatever.

756
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,920
Yeah.
And So what may have been, you

757
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:58,320
know, acceptable and tolerated
and bore fruit 20-30 years ago,

758
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,120
maybe today is, is not.
Man, our, our church, we used

759
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,120
to, it was so fruitful.
We would like go to apartments

760
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,880
and be like, OK, I'm going to
set up a kickball game.

761
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,480
All the kids in the apartments
are going to come.

762
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,840
When I worked at a camp, we
would like, we would go to the

763
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,920
park and just like be like, hey,
little kids, just go over to

764
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,600
play kickball.
Can't do that anymore.

765
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,520
It was like we would have like
20-30 kids and it was like

766
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,840
totally fine.
You start like walking up, you

767
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,760
know, doing that kind of stuff.
It it can depending on the on

768
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,520
the context not not not work out
well.

769
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,640
Yeah.
So above all of these things,

770
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,560
you know, we talked about this,
I think it was last episode, we

771
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,720
talked about the Church of
Ephesus in Revelation where it

772
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,760
said you're doing all these good
things, but you lost your first

773
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,960
love.
So in doing your programs, you

774
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,560
know, they should, you know,
reflect your first love of

775
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,400
glorifying Christ, bringing
sinners Christ and it's Christ

776
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,680
likeness.
And if we've lost that, it's OK

777
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,800
to re evaluate it.
Maybe we don't access the

778
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,880
program altogether.
Maybe just retool it, maybe get

779
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,640
fresh leadership.
You know, I, this is kind of a

780
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,560
joke at our, our leadership
planning, but I have done the

781
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,800
Good Friday service for forever
and I'm always like, I think

782
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,760
it's important.
We should do it and I want us to

783
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,520
do it and I'm happy to do it,
but I'm also happy if there's a

784
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,400
change up.
You know, if we do it, do a

785
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,600
little different because I had
done it over and over again.

786
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,920
But it was important enough to
me that if no one wanted to, to

787
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,280
stand up and do it.
I was like, well, I'll, I'll

788
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,480
keep doing it.
So in, you know, as we look at

789
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,840
this, it's good to have these
natural checkpoints, like give

790
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,679
feedback to your leaders.
You can do it in a kind way and

791
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:35,679
be like, I don't know about
this.

792
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,800
I think it is also good when you
give feedback, it's also great

793
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,520
to have a solution as well.
Or you know, something it's not,

794
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,000
don't just like tear down to
tear down.

795
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,440
But, and I think, you know,
there's a way to present it

796
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,679
where it can be taken very, very
well, where you're not like

797
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:54,280
attacking their very being.
Yeah, obviously demeanor and

798
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:59,320
motivation, you come humbly in
hand like, hey, I just want to

799
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,640
ask you a question.
I noticed these things.

800
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,880
Have you ever considered those
are a lot better than you know

801
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,280
this program?
Yeah, that's great.

802
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,120
And you know, when you have to
change, make a pivot that that

803
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,360
is not a not a failure.
I think, you know, keeping that

804
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,240
in mind, it's just such a
everyone gets on their like pet

805
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:19,160
program or whatever.
It's such a touchy thing, but

806
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,520
it's it's so necessary to be
able to let go of those things.

807
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,760
All right, kind of a closing
thoughts.

808
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,720
Hopefully you've caught this.
It's OK to try something new,

809
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,960
but new doesn't always make
well, better.

810
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,680
That's true.
If you have someone, something

811
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,480
that's serving the people's
needs.

812
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,520
Sometimes people just want new
for new sake.

813
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,240
And that's that's not what we're
saying here either.

814
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,520
But but sometimes, you know,
some small changes can, can, can

815
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,960
help out.
Anything else you got on this?

816
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,800
No, I, I, I think that it's just
good to be intent.

817
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,680
Just like with everything else,
be purposeful, be intentional,

818
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,560
think about what you do and just
evaluate it.

819
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,400
Is this biblical?
And then on top of that, yeah.

820
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,160
Is it producing this through?
Is it going off the rails?

821
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,040
And are you using people's
gifting?

822
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,440
So that's a lot of things why
things change.

823
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,480
It's like, oh, we don't have
someone to drive that like we

824
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,240
used to.
We've got someone else who can

825
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,480
maybe, maybe they're more
focused in apology or whatever.

826
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,200
It's like, oh, they could step
into this new ministry and and

827
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,360
be serving.
That's good.

828
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,520
All right, That is our take.
Thanks for listening to Take 2.

829
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:20,840
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830
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,560
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