The Church in Motion – People, Positions, and Presents

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Had any chips recently?
Aw man, talking about Lays some

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Doritos.
Oh no.

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No I'm talking about these
potatoes that are cut up into

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these long strips cause
yesterday after church went to

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the codfather.
OK.

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Yeah, you had some.
Fish and chips.

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Man, you know what I love?
You know, England great, United

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Kingdom's great, Canada's great,
but man, did they say

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something's wrong?
Because really everything should

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be based around the mid South of
like Memphis and Little Rock and

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and Bald Knob.
Coke and Coke all day.

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You just, yeah, exactly.
It's Coke all day.

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That's a big one for that
region, right?

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It's not soda, not pop Coke,
yeah, man.

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But these other countries, man,
it just is like mind blowing.

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Yeah, they do have some weird
words.

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I, I think I've read that
technology that was kind of

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invented after, you know, the,
you know, the British Empire

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kind of broke up.
That's where you see these

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English dialects starting to
diverge in some of their words.

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So you know you got some
differences here, like a

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flashlight.
Oh yeah, they say like a torch.

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Torch, That's right.
Yeah, Yeah.

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Will you line up for something?
Yeah.

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They're queuing.
Up.

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Yeah, queuing up.
Man, just getting a line.

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Don't be so fancy about it if
you're pinky in the air,

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England.
Maybe a for British, you know,

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you, you have a diaper for a
little baby, Yeah.

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What do they call it?
Nappy.

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Oh, I don't like that I'm nappy.
Too close to nap.

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I like naps too much.
Do you ever live in an

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apartment?
Oh yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, or a flat.
Oh flat at my apartment going to

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school.
MUSC downtown Charleston.

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Lived at B street flats.
Maybe a play on words there?

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One things that we used, there
were some German spies who tried

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to infiltrate American troops
and they were talking about

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trucks and stuff or they were,
they were like down there

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blending in.
Then they called, you know, a

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big heavy truck that you would
move stuff with a lorry.

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And they're like, you're not
American if you said Lori.

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And they, they, they found.
Out.

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Yeah, yeah, like that's like
that's like we know you are not

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one of us.
That's great here's one in

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Canada they don't call it Mac
and cheese.

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Have you heard this?
I see I have not heard this.

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I some this Canadian thing came
up and I was like what they call

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it a craft dinner.
Craft dinner.

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Yeah, and they're.
And they're like, they're like,

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it says it on the box craft
dinner.

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And I'm like, it's Mac and
cheese, I think.

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The people of Maine should rise
up and fix this.

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We need to talk to Leanne's.
Yeah.

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We're Yeah, the middle men.
Yeah.

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You can go up there.
Just tell these people.

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This one blew my mind.
Colored pencils.

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Do you know what they call
colored pencils?

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No.
They call them.

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They call them colored crayons.
Colored crayons.

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And it's not a crayon.
Colored crayon.

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All crayons are colored by
definition.

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It is this.
Is this is the result of Trudeau

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being there for too long?
This isn't what happens, man.

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A chicken sandwich.
Chicken burger.

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A chicken burger.
Chicken burger because they say

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it's got a burger bun.
Anything with a burger, they're

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like, oh, it'd be a chicken
sandwich if it was like bread.

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Yeah.
Yeah, they're like chicken

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burger.
Yeah, see, you've heard this

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one.
Yeah, I have heard and you know,

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there are some of these words
like so slight, slight rabbit

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trail here, helicopter.
There are words that have come

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into our into existence that we
then split the roots in the

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wrong spot.
So helio means to go around and

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around and ptur means wing.
So like the bees are in the

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family or the order class more.
They're of Hymenoptera and it

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talks about, you know, they have
a membranous wing and there's

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other Dioptera means you have
two wings.

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So the patur means wing.
So, but we think so we it really

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is a Helio patur, but we think.
Oh, helicopter.

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But we, you know, helicopter,
you know, so, so we have copters

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everywhere, but it's not copter,
it's patur.

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The we've took the Co off the
helico and put it on the patur.

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Same way with burgers.
Because it's this.

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Town of Hamburg.
But we we put the, we took off

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the ham and we putting the Berg
and the ER together.

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So yeah.
There you go.

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This, this one is strange, like
you know, Smarties, the candy.

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So do you know what a smarty is
in Canada?

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It's basically an M&M which is
like it throws out the whole.

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Game.
They call it an M.

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And M they call, they call
Eminem Smarties and they call

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and they call Smarties rockets.
But it's very confusing when you

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would, it would not be that bad
if it was like a totally

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different name, but because it's
a name of a different candy or

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you know, it just, it just gets
too mixed up.

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So they buy M&M's in a bag that
are labeled M&M's and they call

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them Smarties.
I'm going to look this up.

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I saw this on a video.
I didn't see the actual bag.

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The only thing I can think of
it's either that or it's like an

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off brand of M&M is called
Smarties, but they don't.

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But the things are called, I
don't know, confused.

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They call them rockets or the
Smarties of the.

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US, this is one, one thing that
English people, British people I

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should say, try to get up to you
about us with because we call

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the fuel that we put in our
vehicles gas.

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And they call it petrol.
And they're like, of course, are

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you putting a, a gas into your?
No, it's a liquid.

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Why would you ever call?
It gas.

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Oh, I see, I see.
Yeah, yeah.

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But.
We put in this liquid called

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gasoline, and the reason
gasoline is called gasoline is

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because it has a very low vapor
point where it will go to a

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gaseous state very easily, which
is what makes it so good to

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explode in your vehicles.
Whereas petrol is short for

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petroleum, which is not what
you're putting in your vehicle.

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So who we're both?
Who are you?

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Yeah, who are you?
We are both shortening words and

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we're shortening it from
gasoline to gas, from petroleum

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to petrol.
Clearly, one of us is wrong, and

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it's not the Americans.
And it's not the Americans.

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And as far as Canada goes, I
mean, they call their $1.00 and

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$2.00 coins looney and toonies.
So I can't, I can't trust

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anything they say that that's
all you need to hear right now.

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Their money is basically
Monopoly money.

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It's all colorful.
It's like it's not even real

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life.
It's like a big joke.

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Yeah, soccer.
Can we talk about soccer?

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Soccer, is it like football or
is it more fancy?

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Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's just so, yeah, I

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think we may have covered this
ground before.

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I don't know.
We'll cover it again.

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Yeah, we will.
No, no, 'cause it's a related

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topic.
So there's three different types

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of football.
There is Rugby Football,

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Association football and
gridiron football, AKA American

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football and back in the day,
maybe late 1800s, early 1900s.

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You can check the time frame
people at Oxford and what's the

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other big college over the stars
of the.

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City.
Is it Cambridge?

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Cambridge, in order to
differentiate Rugby Football and

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and association football, they
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just put an E on the end of it
and then they took the SoC out

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of association and called it
soccer.

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So this nomenclature of soccer
originated on the British Isles.

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Now you abandoned in it.
That's fine.

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But you're to blame.
But you're the you are the cause

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of this, so wow.
And they're they all up once

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again.
Uppity, but I think Australia.

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Stands with us, I think
Australia is in America, we call

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it.
We both call it soccer.

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Oh man, do you have a you have a
good Australian accent in you?

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No, no, I I don't think I do.
It's like one of those things

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like you don't want to be put on
the the spot.

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I have a well, I don't, it's
probably not a passable Irish

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accent, but I have worked on an
Irish accent like you like

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because of a character named
Mathertos.

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And he likes to.
Maybe he likes to ride a bike,

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go around a boat.
Nice.

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Yeah, that's that's D&D.
Irish and Canadian they may,

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they may be like no you're crazy
but I hear some similarities.

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Man, well, big take away.
We say everything right, They

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say everything wrong.
But you know, if you're in the

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church, you might have some
people from all over the place.

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Yeah, you got to deal with the
people in the church.

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Church is made-up of people.
And honestly, you know if a

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visitor says something wrong,
call them out on the spot,

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right?
No, I was kidding.

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Yeah, so there's a whole list of
these.

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You can go find them and and go,
go, go have have fun with the

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the other English speakers
across the pond.

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I love it.
Well, church #4 last episode of

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the series and then whatever's
next is next.

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But can you can you recap the
the the titles like you, they're

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all alliterated.
Right, yeah.

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So we, the church, number one,
was talking about the purpose.

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I always do this like I'm
pointing to something.

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There's not gonna be anything
here other than our a nice

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little backdrop, like we're in a
studio.

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But it's the purpose of the
church, which we said was to

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glorify God through bringing
sinners.

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Christ thanks Christ on this the
priority of the church, Acts

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242, the programs of the church,
and now we're going to talk

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about the people of the church.
So purpose, priorities,

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programs, and.
People like that literated

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awesome.
You know it's, you know it's

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biblical if it's literate.
That's that's one of the keys.

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So let's go ahead and take it to
the next level from the hearts

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of the low country in South
Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
People are they important to the

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church, Michael because the
church is a.

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Building, right?
Yeah, I think we probably always

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heard all have.
We have probably all heard that,

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you know, the church is not the
building.

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It's not a place, it's the
people.

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But you can have the church
building you.

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Know that's that's a good point.
That is a very good point.

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Yeah, church are church is
made-up of people and you know,

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it's people that Christ came to
redeem.

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It's the people that we are
looking to bring through whom

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we're looking to glorify God.
And ultimately it's the people

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that have to be about this
purpose and the priorities and

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the program.
So without the people, we kind

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of don't have those other three
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This is a, this is a theological
underlying question.

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You know, depending on how you
define church, some people they

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would say, oh, the church is the
people of God.

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That's very broad where you'll
be like, when did the church

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start?
Was is Abraham?

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Is that one of God's people or
no?

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Or, you know, is it a Pentecost
thing or does it go back to

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Genesis, you know?
Yeah.

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The word that we see translated
into church, I think it goes.

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I think it's used even in the
Gospel.

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Some I think, like Matthew 18
says, bring it before the

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church.
Yeah, which is we would

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typically people would say
generally I've heard, I've not

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heard anyone say Abraham's in
the church.

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Have you heard people that say
that?

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Well, I, I think that some
Presbyterian, some people

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looking for a lot of continuity,
like total continuity would say

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all of God's people, the church
started at Genesis 3.

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And I don't know, I, I think, I
don't think Baptists typically

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would say that, but I think
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looking for, you know, that's,
that's where they would say, and

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I, I've heard I need to Fact
Check this, but I've heard

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arguments like, Hey, you're kind
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or God's people.
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say there's, there was something
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difference.
But, you know, that's always a

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fun, fun thing to talk about,
you know?

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Yeah, the two one that I've
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when Jesus called his 12
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that was the start of the
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that was closed communion, so
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local body in order to take
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And I think, I don't know which
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belief of when the church
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that the only people who took
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Lord's Supper were his 12
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It wasn't anyone else.
I think that's probably reading

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maybe.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but I think it's a little

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bit of a stretch to to to
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is the the two I've heard maybe
someone might say the church

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started when Cornelius was.
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Yeah, yeah, go back.
Yeah, yeah, You know, if you're

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saying, hey, now we're getting
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So you would say if someone's
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people, you would not do the,
you can't do the substitution

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like Moses is not part of the
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I would say that Moses, I would.
Define the church, but then he

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is.
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the you know, in Ephesians 2,
Paul talks about bringing him

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down the dividing wall, and God
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and the Gentiles.
I would say that's the church.

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So you would say he was not part
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chronologically that point of
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would or is that what you're
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Like versus like, oh, like when
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I wouldn't say Moses was part of
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No, no.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Jews.
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I got you.
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Yeah.
And then the Jews and Gentile

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believing Gentiles were brought
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were part of the church.
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I gotcha, gotcha I.
Mean you disagree or.

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No, no, I, I think I, I think, I
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semantics anyway.
Like where it's like what I'm

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getting at is a lot of people, a
lot of the on the prisoners I

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think will be like, well, I
think it drives out like

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dispensationalism where they're
like, oh, there's like 2

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separate groups of people,
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They'll be like, oh, the church
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that kind of thing.
That's kind of the that's why

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people kind of poke at that, I
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Yeah, I would think that if you
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church is a parentheses because
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Messiah, I would disagree with
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That was brought up being told
that If you're on the other side

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that would say the church was
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of the church.
I'm like that's also.

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Probably not true.
It seemed like there was

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definitely a time when the
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plan, and it's the uniting Jews
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body.
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It's not like 2 separates, it's
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Like it's like progressing and
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stand stronger beside the church
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new covenant comes into
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OK.
I think that's.

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A Pentecost New Covenant, which
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yeah, I, I think I agree with
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Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's good.

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All right.
So good discussion.

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If you if you have different
thoughts, love to hear them

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comment on the video or the
podcast and or ask questions.

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But according to these notes
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on Pentecost under the new
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Oh, there we.
Go.

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Yeah, there you go.
So when I when I made these

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notes, 'cause I extracted this
from a paper I wrote from for a

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seminary, so I must have been on
to something, right?

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It's a good thing I agree with
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You know, like 4 year, 5-6 years
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That's funny, but it's open to
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It's Ephesians 2-3, Romans 11,
and it's this one body coming

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together.
We're looking at some passages,

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some key verses for for this
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First Corinthians 12, you know,
talks a lot about spiritual

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gifts, that kind of thing. 12
through 1412.

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Verse 12 says for just as the
body is 1 and yet has many

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members and it kind of goes on
talking, you know, bring this

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analogy.
We kind of see that there's

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unity we're all we're on Christ
similar Paul saying Galatians

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328.
There's neither Jew nor Greek

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goes on to say male or female,
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You're all one in Christ Jesus.
And I really like that Galatians

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328 verse because it kind of
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where it prioritizes that unity.
You're in Christ.

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You bring nothing to the table
undercuts any source of pride or

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anything that you were born
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But you read Paul's letters and
male and female are different.

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Jew and Greek are different.
Not erasing that diversity, but

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there is a priority of things
because the feminist would say,

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boom, we're all one in Christ.
That's like their verse they

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latch on to and they kind of run
too hard and ignore all of other

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Paul's exhortation.
But I think it is important to

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get that balance right where
it's like man, that unity is

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very important.
Diverse is not unimportant, but

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that's not the driving factor.
No, I perfect.

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A perfect word to describe what
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It's unity and diversity.
I probably have talked about

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that before.
No need to get on that soapbox.

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But you know, university is this
word.

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It tries to capture that, you
know, finding the unity in

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amongst the different diversity.
We have verses, you know, in

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Revelation 59, if you've sang is
he worthy?

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You've you've saying these
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There's, you know, a bunch of
allusions to these verses where

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it talks about, you know, people
from every tribe, tongue,

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nation, social classes, you
know, rich and poor, they're all

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going to be there praising,
praising God together.

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No, I, I love that a lot.
Even in Romans, you know,

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talking all through weaker
brother, stronger brother.

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It's so interesting that Paul's
not like, hey, everybody just

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adopts this one culture or, you
know, he's kind of like, there's

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tension here.
Live, live in that and bear with

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one another.
Good time to talk about local

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church versus the universal
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I think this gets all sorts.
It can't get all sorts of

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confusing because what, what's
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Like, why is this, We might not
get into this conversation, but

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you know, why is church
membership to your local church

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more?
You know, it's more it, it's

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harder to get into my local
church than the, you know, like,

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why should we be, you know, all
these conversations people have.

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Yeah, or people are like church
membership is not biblical.

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I'm like.
Exactly along the lines that

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like, I don't need to fill out a
packet to get into the big

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church, you know, the universal
church.

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Why is your church much more
important than Jesus's church?

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Are you know what I'm saying?
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And what there were, we do see
some phenomena in the what was

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going on, you know, right after
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We know Stephen was part of a
synagogue and that people who

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were being persuaded by
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ousted from those synagogues.
So those synagogues, while not

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the church proper, they kind of
were the initial seed of what a

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church looked like.
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you could be inside or outside
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Fast forward to Paul writing his
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or to the First Corinthians, to
the Corinthians.

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In his first letter, he talks
about, you know, this guy who's

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boasting, you know, you're
boasting about accepting this

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guy into your fellowship who I
think he was, you know,

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basically married or sleeping
with his mother-in-law or

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something like his father's
wife, maybe a stepmom, you know,

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some gross immorality.
And like, no, you need to, you

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need to cast him out of the
church, you know, discipline.

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Matthew 18.
What does that look like?

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If you don't have a local body
who has some some definition of

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who's in and out Second
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Paul's going to come and say,
yeah, this guy's repented.

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Bring him back in like you do
forgive him.

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So all of these letters have
this connotation of someone

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being in and outside this local
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People argue about like, well,
was there one church for a whole

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city, probably in Rome There
wasn't 'cause it was too big to

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have one, 'cause you he talks.
About.

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Yeah, the people who met at
Julia's house and the people

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that met at this house, 'cause
you, you would have had

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different local bodies.
Well, Julia's house, they could

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probably have said, you know,
whoever you're Asibus or

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whoever, you're not living,
right.

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We're casting you outside of our
fellowship.

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You're not a part of this local
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So I think.
Yeah, you can't just skirt over

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that.
This is different.

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But you know, the other thing
that I, I see it as is like, you

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know, I know of a bunch of not
church organizations, whether

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it's a Christian School or
whether it's like a ministry,

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but not the church that are
doing things like baptizing

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people.
And it's like, well, maybe the

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church should baptize people.
I feel like that has.

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Heard of this?
Well, I was actually talking to

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my sister.
She goes to a southern like it's

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funded by the Southern Baptist,
Southern Baptist school and

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their Christian School.
Like people come to faith, let's

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do a baptism right now, you
know, and it's like you're not

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the church, you know what I
mean?

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And so because you.
Probably want someone who can

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come alongside disciple, do all
those all the things we talked

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about before those programs and
and help encapsulate them and

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teach them in all those
different ways.

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And the church school is not
necessarily equipped to do that.

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Exactly right.
Have some sort of

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accountability.
And it's like, you know, baptism

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specifically, I feel like it's
so connected with church

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membership or like, yeah, you're
connecting it with those people.

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I think an interesting one,
maybe we don't have time to talk

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about it right now, but is, you
know, we think of something like

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the Lord's Supper.
Is that something like anyone

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can do all the time, Hey, let's
have like a little Lord's Supper

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here.
Is that an ordinance of the

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church?
Like, can I go on a missing trip

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with some buddies?
And we're having like, our

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little Lord's Supper?
And that's if an elder's there,

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it's OK, but not it's not OK.
And that's just a bigger

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question.
Is that a church thing?

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Or it's like all Christians do
that Willy nilly.

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Yeah, yeah.
Well, yeah, my solution in the

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past to my kids who wanted to
participate, I'd be like, I'll

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get you some grape juice, some
creatures.

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But I didn't consider that, you
know, the Lord's Supper.

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But maybe if anyone can do it
anywhere?

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Well, 'cause that's the other
thing.

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I think you see it sometimes at
parachurch things like you might

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go to a conference and they're
like, hey, let's do the Lord's

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00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,400
Supper right here.
I'm not saying that's bad, but

451
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:16,600
that's not a church
administering.

452
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,960
It probably depends.
Do you think the church is in

453
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,120
charge of baptism at Lord's
Supper?

454
00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:22,880
Or it's like I'm the church so I
can do it wherever I go to Kind

455
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,040
of go with some buddies and dunk
you and say you're baptized.

456
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,360
These are new questions to me.
I have never known of a para

457
00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:31,840
church organization
administering baptism or

458
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,120
communion, but to me my gut
reaction is those are ministers

459
00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:37,360
of the church.
That's my gut reaction.

460
00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:40,160
I went went to this adoption
conference and it's like at the

461
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,800
end they're like, hey, you know,
and a pastor was leading it, but

462
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,040
not the pastor of this.
So I mean, I don't want to make

463
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,400
too much about it.
Like it's not like someone

464
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,480
unqualified was doing that, but
it just things to think about.

465
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,720
I think it's more of it's I, I
don't know of this happening,

466
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:53,960
but you hear stories too of
like.

467
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,640
This is the recent adoption.
Thing you went to Yeah, I.

468
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,280
Think that that sin LED you to
the sin of interviewing without

469
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,280
your other podcast host there.
Sin effects others.

470
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,960
Yeah.
Or, I don't know, you get up.

471
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,160
Yeah.
You get a bunch of people, a

472
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,160
bunch of buddies over at your
house, and you're like, hey,

473
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,840
I'll jump in the pool and do a
quick baptism.

474
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,640
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, you know, you hear, I

475
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,520
don't think these things are
like super common, but they're

476
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,480
like things that I think
devalues the local church.

477
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,360
But where they go is like, Hey,
Great Commission baby.

478
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:24,600
Like, you know, I mean, you know
what I'm saying is like they're

479
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,080
like, hey, I'm a Christian.
I'm to be discipling and

480
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,720
baptizing, even though I know
bro, that's more of my

481
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,960
implication versus I'm a, you
know, who Jesus was directly.

482
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,560
But anyway, just questions to
consider.

483
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,640
We do see apostles, like,
spontaneously baptizing people,

484
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,360
that's true.
But we're not apostles.

485
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,040
So it's like, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

486
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,720
I don't know so any and you know
the whole infrastructure was a

487
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,040
little bit different and it's
just these are things that you

488
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,640
know, you can think about and
see not that you have to spend

489
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,480
your days thinking about these
specific issues, but

490
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,440
interesting.
That's good.

491
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:57,160
Good thoughts, good questions.
All right, so we do see that

492
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,800
Paul planted local churches with
leaders, with structure, with

493
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,000
some community live.
You can look at Titus 15, Acts

494
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,720
2017, when he's meeting with the
elders from Ephesus.

495
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,240
He gives Titus and Timothy
instructions for how to appoint

496
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,200
leaders for churches.
So there is, you know, there's,

497
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,720
there are ideas.
I don't know how you could

498
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,360
negate the local church because
it's like, how do you put into

499
00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:29,280
practice?
All of the Bible talks about if

500
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,200
you don't have a local body
that's practicing that it's

501
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,240
like.
It it, yeah, that's like the

502
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,960
same thing that's like the
vehicle to the destination.

503
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,520
You somewhat, there's got to be
some institution that's holding

504
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,600
the keys to the Kingdom and
admitting and, you know, church

505
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,360
discipline and all these things.
And I think it does fly in the

506
00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:48,480
face of everyone who's like, you
know, I'm watching services on

507
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,520
like you're just like, I'm a
Christian and you're like not

508
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:51,960
really plugged in.
It's like, these are the kind of

509
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,240
things.
This is why it's important.

510
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,200
Yeah, that's good.
All right.

511
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,760
There are positions we just
talked about Paul planting local

512
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,080
churches and establishing
leaders.

513
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,040
There are positions of authority
that we see in the church.

514
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:12,360
Ephesians 219 through 20 says my
screen just flipped from dark to

515
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:14,800
light, so let me find it.
So then you are no longer

516
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,960
strangers and aliens, but you
are fellow citizens with the

517
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,280
Saints and are of God's
household.

518
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,280
So talking about the church
having been built on the

519
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,760
foundation of the apostles and
prophets, Jesus Christ being the

520
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,240
cornerstone in whom the whole
building being fitted together

521
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,080
is growing into the holy temple,
and the Lord in whom you also

522
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,880
are building, built together
into a dwelling of God in the

523
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,800
Spirit.
So this imagery of this

524
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,560
foundation, of this building
cornerstone is what all the

525
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,480
foundation is, you know, built
off.

526
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,240
It's what it gets its back and
forth from, and then the rest of

527
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,480
the foundation, the profits from
the Old Testament and the

528
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,640
apostles from the New Testament,
and then us as believers being

529
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,400
built into this same
organization.

530
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,520
But if there's a crack in the
foundation, can I be an apostle

531
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,000
and like fix that and do all
those fun apostle things?

532
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,240
I, I like this verse four that
'cause I think by implication,

533
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,760
foundation, foundation set you
don't need.

534
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,480
I mean, it's like it's, you
don't go back.

535
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,240
You're building up, you know.
Yeah, and there are some people

536
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,720
in the Bible who are referred to
as apostles.

537
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,240
And I think a good hermeneutics
would distinguish between what I

538
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,000
would call a capital a apostle
and a lowercase A apostle.

539
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,040
Because Paul, even you read the
opening of Galatians, he try, I

540
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,120
think he's trying to make this
difference between what I would

541
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:42,120
call a capital a apostle and a
lowercase apostle 'cause he's

542
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:45,600
like, I'm an apostle not
established by man or even

543
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,720
through the through man, but
through Jesus himself.

544
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,400
Like I'm a different type of
apostle.

545
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,040
Cause the apostle just meant
someone who's sent out a

546
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,920
messenger from someone else,
almost like carries the same

547
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,160
idea as an ambassador, you know,
someone who's representing

548
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,840
someone else.
And so, you know, you could be

549
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,920
my apostle if I like, paid you
to go do something and you did

550
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,240
business in my name or
something, but that wouldn't

551
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,600
make you a capital apostle.
And so you have some people who

552
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,720
get the word apostle added to
their names because they're sent

553
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,640
out like, you know, from Paul or
something to someone, but

554
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,000
they're not like, on the same
caliber as these foundational

555
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,960
apostles.
Yeah, that's a good distinction.

556
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:29,000
What we do see biblical set up
is elders and deacons as part of

557
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,160
local church govern governance.
First Timothy 3 Titus one

558
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,160
extensively talks about elders
and deacons, maybe deaconesses.

559
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,160
That's you know, how do you how
do you, you know, interpret?

560
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,120
Is this deacon's wives or or
deaconess as you know?

561
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:43,960
Is that a question?
Yeah, I was.

562
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,760
I was saying people, people feel
different ways about it.

563
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,480
Well.
There is the and this is another

564
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,920
thing similar to apostles.
The thing is, we're taking a

565
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,280
word from Greek.
We're elevating it to a title or

566
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,000
position.
But when, you know, Jesus had

567
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,360
just got done fasting for 40
days and 40 nights, the angels

568
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:07,280
came and deaconing deaconed him.
Because this is a verb.

569
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,800
It just means to minister.
And so if you're feeding someone

570
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,440
food and you're serving that
person, you are deaconing that

571
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,960
person, right?
It's the class.

572
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,640
It's like Lydia or whoever.
It's like she's serving.

573
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,160
Is that, are we trying to make
this like official wordinged

574
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,720
office or is it just the word,
you know what I'm saying?

575
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,160
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I think you're
right.

576
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,280
Yeah.
And so I think what you see when

577
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,480
Paul gives, we kind of see, I
don't think they're called

578
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,120
deacons, but we kind of see a a
picture of the deacons when the

579
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:39,880
seven.
Yeah, yeah, it's like a proto

580
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,600
Deacon.
Yeah, the proto Deacon and

581
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,120
they're kind of filling that
role.

582
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,680
And then by the time Paul's
writing, they have these

583
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,560
established roles of kind of
what we see deacons are the

584
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,400
leaders over the non spiritual
things like the physical things

585
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,960
like the food and maybe the
money, the infrastructure so

586
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,000
that you can have leaders over
the spiritual things.

587
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,000
So.
Yeah, I think that I think

588
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,640
that's good too.
And a lot of it is defining

589
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,720
terms because I think, you know,
you go to some church very

590
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,360
conservative, like John
MacArthur's church.

591
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,920
He has AI heard him teach one
time on elders and deacons.

592
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,040
He was like, raise your hand if
you're a Deacon or deaconess.

593
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,080
And he was like, there's like
200 hands in here or whatever

594
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,840
he's like.
And the way they view at least

595
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,880
deaconess is maybe deacons too,
is it's not an ordained office.

596
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,240
It's like, hey, you're gonna
serve a ministry.

597
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,640
You're a Deacon and anyone can
be a Deacon for a season or

598
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,800
whatever.
Versus Archers is a little more

599
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,200
formal.
And I think, you know, you've

600
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,120
got different, you know,
spectrum along those lines.

601
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,040
Yeah, and by those definitions,
like you could best definitely

602
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,000
see people like Anita Marshall,
right?

603
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,480
Exactly.
Could be a deaconess.

604
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:40,720
Running with nursery or
whatever?

605
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:47,600
Yeah, exactly all.
Right, so those people, people.

606
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,520
So we have our our leaders,
elders and deacons.

607
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,320
You know, there are apostles in
Christ.

608
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,880
Those are set.
And then you have some people

609
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,440
underneath them.
And all of those people, if they

610
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,280
are truly in the church, have
some type of spiritual gift.

611
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,240
We did two whole series.
That's right, two whole lessons

612
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,200
on spiritual gifts.
So we're not looking to recreate

613
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,040
that.
I like that.

614
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,360
I don't know if this was you or
or or supernatural presence is

615
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,160
like spiritual gifts.
That's like that's like

616
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,160
analogous.
That's pretty cool.

617
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,000
No, I like that.
So.

618
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,400
Just a little plug for my my
mother-in-law.

619
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,880
She has this book called In his
Presence, spelled like Gifts in

620
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,040
his Gifts.
And she goes through like a

621
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:35,480
whole bunch of other P words
like personality presents and,

622
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,000
you know, some other.
And so I borrowed some of this

623
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,320
from her.
So yeah, Yeah.

624
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,040
So this is her.
This is her wording on that

625
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,120
supernatural presence for the
church.

626
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,240
Yeah.
Oh, I love that.

627
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,640
Yeah, we've talked at length
going back to First Corinthians

628
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,280
12.
Go to passage.

629
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,720
To each one is given the
manifestation of the Spirit for

630
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,160
common good.
You're trying to build up others

631
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,520
in Christ, Ephesians 4 says for
the equipping of the Saints, for

632
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:05,160
the work of service that you
know, part part of elder's roles

633
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,440
is to equip the Saints so that
they can work, build up and use

634
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,160
these spiritual gifts to help
edify.

635
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,920
Yep, all of us receive at least
one Bible hints that sometimes

636
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,440
you can have more than one gift,
and they're different.

637
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,200
Some are teaching, some are
serving, giving mercy,

638
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,120
leadership, encouragement, and
they all have these different

639
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,880
roles.
And there seems to be some

640
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,360
distinction between supernatural
gifts and natural talents, but

641
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,560
most of the time they kind of go
hand in hand, like.

642
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,320
Yeah, it's probably unusual to
be like, I love speaking.

643
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,480
It's amazing.
But I don't like speaking about

644
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,640
the Bible, Right, Right.
Yeah.

645
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,520
Like maybe there's it's like or
it's like I'm I don't know.

646
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,520
No, that's good.
The purpose of the gifts, we

647
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,080
perfect the Saints.
So through using our gifts, the

648
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,200
use of gifts, we can kind of
achieve some sanctification

649
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,600
building up of the body.
So we see edification there and

650
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,880
ultimately glorifying Christ and
God the Father through, you

651
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,640
know, see people seeing, oh wow,
you know, this is I saw God

652
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,080
working this way, you know.
Yeah, and I think everyone's got

653
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,240
a story of that, where
everyone's got something that

654
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,640
the church needs or is lacking.
You.

655
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,440
You might be sitting and be
like, man, this church is

656
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,520
missing this that that might be
why you're there.

657
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,960
Yeah, if you see the need, then
you may have you may have the

658
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,160
gifting to help fulfill it.
Not not always.

659
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,120
You know, sometimes you might
see a need and you need someone

660
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,640
with a leadership gift to to
take.

661
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,400
That make it happen.
And make it happen.

662
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,760
But yeah, if you see the need,
maybe you can be a part of that

663
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:31,440
ministry.
You.

664
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,000
Know that's a that's a good
point because the alternative is

665
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,600
you're like, oh, church is
lacking this air.

666
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,680
You don't do anything.
And then I like the notes here,

667
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,760
says employers don't use their
gifts, the church limbs.

668
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,960
And you don't want to be knowing
something and just idly standing

669
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,000
by because on the other side of
things, when the gifts are being

670
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,480
used, that's when a church
flourishes.

671
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,120
It grows strong, healthy, and
then things really, really fire

672
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,400
at all cylinders.
Lastly, kind of before we close

673
00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,240
up, the church is a living body.
That's the analogy that you use

674
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,720
a lot in our in our New
Testament, Christ is the head of

675
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,200
our church, you know, making the
decisions, you know the leader.

676
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,720
We are the body joined, supplied
and growing.

677
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,520
So we're joined together,
supplied by the Holy Spirit,

678
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,960
growing.
No gift, no person is useless or

679
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,200
unimportant.
So you have a role there.

680
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:24,240
And when we all do our part, the
Church is a visible display of

681
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,520
Christ to the world.
Yeah, that that's a good point.

682
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,920
It's like we can so easily just
not we can say, ah, my gift's

683
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,280
useless, whatever that that's
not the case at all.

684
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,200
Is this this is a quote from
your from the book or no?

685
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,800
Or is it just in there?
I just didn't want to over.

686
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,400
No, yeah, this is probably a
book.

687
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,120
A quote from my.
Oh, paper I quoting the great,

688
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,400
great Michael, my God didn't
just save you.

689
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,080
He placed you in his body for
his glory, which is good.

690
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,880
It's not it's like goes to you
know, it's not just like, Hey, I

691
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,880
pray prayer, I'm done with life.
It's like there's purpose,

692
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,400
there's growth, there's
sanctification.

693
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,160
It's like, man, there is a
reason for your giftings and

694
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,920
where you're placed.
So don't don't minimize that.

695
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,320
Yeah, and we often taught.
We have.

696
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,480
We're on the coast.
On the coast.

697
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,440
If you look at Charleston Bible
Church's logo, it's very unique.

698
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,000
I don't think any church has
gone this direction, but it's a

699
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,920
lighthouse.
Yeah, never heard.

700
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,520
Of that, yeah, it's pretty,
pretty unique.

701
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,159
If you know of any other church
lighthouse, let me know.

702
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,880
No, obviously I'm joking.
It's pretty common, especially

703
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,480
for coastal churches have this
lighthouse.

704
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,400
But we talk about wanting to
reflect.

705
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,800
You know, if you've ever seen a
lighthouse, it has this light

706
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,280
and these mirrors and lenses and
they reflect this light that is

707
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,040
not well that in the lighthouse
property is their light.

708
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,280
But you know, if you think of
the church, you know, we're

709
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,360
reflecting the light of Christ.
And I always try to think, you

710
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,840
know, that we want to do that
some alliteration again, three

711
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,199
FS faithfully.
So we're never turning that

712
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,280
light off.
You know, we're always on

713
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,480
fervently so that that light is
bright.

714
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,240
The we are showing all of the
glory of Christ to a fallen

715
00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:01,280
world and fully like there's no
part that we're leaving out.

716
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,880
And that really takes all of
these different gifts working

717
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,920
together to to do that
faithfully, fully and fervently.

718
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,280
Man, I like that a lot.
So we think about the church and

719
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,560
people.
Church is made-up of people,

720
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,800
that that's what the church is.
You need people to be godly

721
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,920
leaders in the church, and then
really for the church to

722
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,480
function, it needs to be
equipped by the Spirit through

723
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,880
these different giftings that
everyone really should be

724
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,960
contributing.
Excellent.

725
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,160
So just recap kind of started
out with this purpose, glorify

726
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,200
God through evangelism,
edification, priorities we get

727
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,960
from Acts 242 word fellowship,
worship and prayer.

728
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,160
You have to have something to
make those practical.

729
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,600
Call those programs.
I like this flexible.

730
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,880
That's good too.
It's gonna be practical.

731
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,560
Have some give to it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

732
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,240
And then we people are the
people are are the are the ones

733
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:57,400
who are going to empower those
things equipped by by Christ.

734
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,480
Great.
So reflects on your role in the

735
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,840
church.
You know, are you, you know,

736
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,520
filling that role how you
should, are you functioning as

737
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,440
God intended?
And maybe you're looking at your

738
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,840
church, you're like, hey, our
church is not this is not how my

739
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,640
church looks.
Maybe you should re evaluate,

740
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,520
consider, you know, maybe tap
your pastor on the shoulder and

741
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,080
say Hey, listen to take 2.
Yeah, yeah.

742
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,840
And no church is perfect.
That's right.

743
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,200
Yeah.
Don't.

744
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,680
You've heard the phrase like if
you find a perfect church, don't

745
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,960
join it because you're going to
mess it up.

746
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,400
Yeah, yeah.
So, but these should generally

747
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,000
be what your church is about.
And, and some churches are going

748
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,960
to be really good in some areas
and they're going to have the

749
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,160
weak points in other areas.
And then, you know, other

750
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,440
churches are going to have a
different personality and maybe

751
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,560
they have strong strengths where
another church has weaknesses.

752
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,440
So yeah.
I love it.

753
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,160
That's our series on the church
for and wrapping it up.

754
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,360
What's next?
So next Thursday it's pre

755
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,440
recorded for us, but we're going
to be talking about the moral

756
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:55,080
argument.
Oh.

757
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,400
Yeah, we already recorded it.
Yeah, yeah, we already recorded

758
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,640
it.
So it's already in the in the

759
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,320
can.
So next Thursday you will be

760
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,960
kind of continuing on every
every month or so.

761
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,400
We'll kind of maybe have a
philosophy apologetic heavy

762
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,840
episode in there.
So we're looking at the moral

763
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,720
argument and it doesn't matter
whether you're a classical

764
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:17,200
apologist or you're a
presuppositional apologist.

765
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:24,000
The moral argument follows this
this type the transcendental

766
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,480
argument form that the
presuptional presup folks like.

767
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,200
I love it 'cause I I was worried
about our presuppositional

768
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,040
listeners being like, gosh, I
listened to this one.

769
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,080
You heard it here, listened to
it.

770
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,280
I really like our philosophy.
Once they're good, I I learn

771
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:41,200
lots.
And then any last words,

772
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,440
Michael?
No.

773
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,560
Awesome.
Well, that's our take.

774
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,600
Thanks for listening to Take
Two.

775
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,920
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776
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,640
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