The Purpose of the Church

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Looking looking nice Michael got
some new threads.

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Yeah, thanks.
It looks like, Oh yeah, you got

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some too.
That's very nice.

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Nice here, I love it.
You went with the give.

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Hate a chance?
Shirt just, you know.

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Coming in hot.
Yeah, so we have two different

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give hate a chance options.
You can have the one that just

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says give hate a chance with the
verse reference on the back.

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Jonathan White is like, it may
be a little too pokey.

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James Dunham, who's already has
already bought his.

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He's like, no, no, that's it's
conversation.

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Starter.
I think he actually said not

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pokey.
No, no, I'm just kidding.

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But so this is a little bit more
gentle because it still says

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good, hate a chance.
But then on the back gives a

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little bit of context to what
we're talking about because on

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the back it says abhor what is
evil.

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And then the Romans 12/9 I.
I just went with the simple pun

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take two on the front, on the
back it says tanking it.

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So it's a tank top.
So you know there you go.

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So you know merch is rolling
out.

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I think Michael was really
planning on every 3rd Sunday of

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the month is take two to just
wear it when he's doing worship

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and we all got our take. 2
That's right, everyone shows up.

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We should do that.
Just have one.

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Maybe, maybe, maybe it's a
Wednesday night.

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I don't know if it's Sunday
morning, might be a little too

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obvious, but where?
We all wear our Take Two merch

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together here.
I don't need to buy another take

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two shirt.
I probably will not wear the the

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tank top even on on Wednesday.
But there you go.

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I'm glad they're, you know,
getting out there.

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Yeah, it.
I mean some people have

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experienced longer shipping than
other poor clay.

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Thrower.
He's still waiting.

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No, no, he did get it, but he
was wanting to get it prior to

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our next gaming session.
And it finally did roll in.

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But he ordered his probably a
week or so before, maybe two

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weeks, I don't know, Week and a
half before I got, he got his

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and I got mine, you know?
Pretty close, very close.

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To when he got his I.
Ordered mine like the day before

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Mother's Day or something, maybe
a day or two and got mine today.

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So yeah, like a week and 1/2 or
something for me.

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So in Clay's face.
Yeah.

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See if the Nephilim help you
with that.

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Yeah, there we go.
Yeah, he did get the introverted

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but willing to talk about
Nephilim.

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That's.
Good.

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And and I'm gonna we, I've
already thrown this out there.

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People looked at the store, a
lot more shirts have popped up.

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So keep keep stuff coming
because we can put whatever we

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want.
You know what I mean?

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Yeah.
There's no cost of putting an

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idea out there.
So if you're like, hey, if this

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shirt were there, I'd buy it.
Let us know because we'll put it

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in there.
We'll make.

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It make it.
Happen.

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We do have one non South
Carolina buy so far.

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Wow Cordell.
So you know Jill's cousin?

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Taking over the mid.
South as well, I think he got a

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cokel and chiasms, so yeah,
that's classic.

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That's that's pretty that's
pretty funny.

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Yeah, that's good.
I I'll try we have to think of

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think of more of these that
that's like a great one that's

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like specific to the pie.
That's like so good Cokel and

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chiasm.
That's great.

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Well, the good thing about
there's a variety of colors out

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there, but the good thing about
this color is it should work

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well with a green screen, unlike
the shirt that I wore last time

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'cause I've started to produce
some of those.

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In fact, one of them hit today.
Wow.

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Later today.
But it did hit today.

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Sorry, a lot of stuff going on,
but yeah, I was looking at that

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and I was like, Oh yeah, there's
just like we're the little

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Plaid, like the little hats.
You could just kind of see some.

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I can only.
Imagine our YouTube comments.

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I can't watch this unwatchable.
This shirts got a slight bit of

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If you have not been following
our podcast, Michael manages the

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green screen attire very well.
So it's not I I have had to

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change my shirt once or once or
twice, but but here we are

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talking about the church.
Yeah.

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Maybe you, maybe the church.
It's such a ubiquitous term.

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Everyone talks about the church,
but a actual robust

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understanding I think is a
little bit harder to come by.

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Yeah, and we're really be
talking about like we're gonna

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be talking about the church
Universal, or someone would call

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it the Universal Church I.
Thought you were gonna say

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Catholic Church.
Yeah, you could call it the

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Catholic Little Sea Church, or
as the Irish Hillbillies call

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it, the Church Catholic.
Oh, that's right.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Nice.
Yeah.

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But yeah, obviously whatever
applies to the universal church

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has to trickle down to be
enacted by local churches.

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So yeah.
Absolutely.

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Well, I'm excited for it.
Let's go ahead and take it to

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the next level from the hearts
of the low country in South

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Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
level.

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All right, so thought we'd start
at the, you know, at the very

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beginning.
And if you go to our church,

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some of this might seem
familiar, but you know, this

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was, you know, I've always
talked about, you know, Jack may

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say, you know, it's Sunday
school with teeth or something

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like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I really borrowed this
material out of a paper I wrote

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for a graduate level seminary
degree.

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So, you know, you can some of
the things that at least at our

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church that may seem like, oh,
this is like normal everyday

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stuff.
You know, that's this is stuff

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that some people still, you
know, it, it is graduate level

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talking.
So we're going to be talking

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about what is the purpose of the
Church I.

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I think that's good 'cause I
think if you asked 100 people on

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the street, you might get like
50 different answers and they

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might be like similar.
But I think a good subset of

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those would be kind of missing
the mark.

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Like maybe tangential, but like
not the purpose.

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Of the church and broadly
speaking and, and I, I do

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appreciate what we say and I
think I've made this comment

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before, but the, the biggest
part of the purpose of our

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church is to glorify God.
Full stop.

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Yeah.
We we are to glorify God and

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then we see that Romans 15, five
through 6 says so that with one

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accord, that's all of us
together.

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You may with one voice glorify
the God and Father of our Lord

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Jesus Christ.
And then you know, we see lots

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of verses.
Let your good work so shine

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before men that they may see
them and glorify your Father in

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heaven.
That's the sermon of the mount.

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There's different places like
First Corinthians 620 talks

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about glorifying God.
There's a number of verses that

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would give credence to this
stated purpose of the church.

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So you could be doing a bunch of
things, but if you're not doing

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that, you're really miss, you're
missing the mark no matter what

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you're doing, even if it's a
hundred really good things.

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Right, right.
Yeah, yeah.

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And you know, this kind of
echoes that Westminster Shorter

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Catechism.
And did you grow up with this?

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I not really because you're a
Baptist and this silly

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Presbyterians are just they're,
they're a little bit too close

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to Catholicism for my taste is
kind of how it was presented

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kind of.
But but this was the one that

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was like you could say, yeah,
yeah, like we didn't get to

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question 46.
We like question 1 was like

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where we started.
And stopped, yeah, we grew up

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with.
There was one family who did it

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and then he took over youth for
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So then they kind of understood
into youth a little bit.

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But we were kind of older than
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So we never formally went
through him, but this was the

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one that was there.
You know man's, you know, what

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is the purpose of man or why?
Why does man exist?

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You probably know the question
better.

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But man's chief end is to
glorify God, enjoy him forever.

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And so if the Church is made-up
of, of men, you know, mankind,

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then you can see how that would
naturally, you know, correspond

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to that.
Yeah, because and when you look

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at the landscape of church
today, sometimes this everyone

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would say that like we're going
to glorify God, but sometimes

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the focus is skewed a little bit
to where it's about growth.

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How do we, you know, fit into
the culture?

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How do we impact our community?
Like really good questions and

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not unimportant, but you just,
you want to set your sights on

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what's important.
I think some of those things

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happen organically, but you
can't start with those

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tangential things.
No.

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And I yeah.
And I think that they may be

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indicators, like if you got 5
people in the church and

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everyone is like saying bad
things about you and your

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community, it should give you a
pause.

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Like, are we really glorifying
church, glorifying God?

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But it's possible you can
imagine that there might be

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societies or cultures where
Christianity is so hated that 5

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is all you can get and you're
doing your best to, you know,

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shine forth Jesus's light and,
and you're still getting hate.

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So the end goal is to, you know,
glorify God and, and not be

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measuring yourself on numbers.
Easy to do.

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Yeah, it's, you know, you go in
the workplace, I'm sure your job

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is like mine.
Monday morning I just get a page

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of analytics.
Like I just click through sheets

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and sheets and sheets of
numbers.

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And that's going to dictate how
I spend my day, who I talk to,

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which, you know, referral
sources I reach out to, which

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employees I prioritize.
It's all based on a lot of

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numbers.
And you can get in a lot of

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trouble if like that's you're
just looking at a spreadsheet of

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numbers.
Yeah, and we're not saying that

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numbers aren't wrong.
Yeah, but the.

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Sounds like what a math guy
would say.

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It would be the yeah, but it's
not the end.

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Yeah, that's.
Right, right.

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And I, I like, I like this note
on here that, you know, when you

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think of glorifying God, maybe
you're thinking of like, all

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right, I guess that means I'm
just reading my Bible and

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singing all day.
And it's, it's much broader than

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that, that, you know, if you're,
you know, eating, drinking,

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whatever you do it, it comes
down to how you live and

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everything.
And so think about maybe that in

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the context of church as well,
where it's not just, you know,

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hey, we're going to have like
the special music and that's

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glorifying God.
No, I think that's great.

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And it also that might lend your
thoughts on what heaven's going

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to be like because, you know,
when I was younger, I even heard

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people say, well, we're just
going to be singing and praising

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God forever and glorifying him
and, and the kind of those two

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are tied together and, and I
think we will be glorifying God

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forever, but I don't think it is
just just that, you know,

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singing.
Like that.

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And when you when it's posed
that way, you can't be like, oh

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man, because then you sound bad.
So you're like, you kind of like

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go with it a little bit.
But you're right.

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Oh, yeah, That's exactly what I
want to do.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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All right.
So glorifying God, you might

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compare to a compass, you know,
if you wanted an object lesson

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that if we are not, you know,
all the things that your church

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may be doing.
If it's not pointing like at

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that true north of hey, we all
of this we measure by whether

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it's glorifying God or not, then
then you might be off course.

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I I like that a lot because
again, you can have programs

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everywhere.
Your calendar can be full, but

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maybe you're missing some, you
know, important components to,

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you know, really that underlying
idea of glorifying God.

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So I guess as we get into this,
a good question to ask would be

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what what glorifies God?
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we can probably say no, no, no,
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That's like a non starter,
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You know, I'll say something a

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little risque.
You know, sex inside the bounds

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of marriage glorifies God, you
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That's God.
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So there's lots of different
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of them don't fall in the
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You know, we wouldn't put that
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church should be doing you.
Know what I'm saying?

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I, I, I think that's kind of,
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example, but it's like when you
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just get it's easy to get up
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came out of a Sunday school
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at her church LED.
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pointed out a distinction Kevin
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books where you've got the
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And that's not the mission of
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lot of things at the, you know,
does everything and your church

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is called to do certain things.
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mix these up, you can really run
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you get your focus wrong.
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drilling down on what what is
the mission of the church, if

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you could say it simply or just
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that look like?
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enough, you probably aren't
really thinking about verses

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like this, but you know, the
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Some people will say, no, that's
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the everyday Commission, but it
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that.
This is, you know, some of

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Jesus's last words in, in his
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He says, all authority has been
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earth.
Go therefore, and make disciples

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of all nations, baptizing them
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Son, and the Holy Spirit,
teaching them to observe all

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that I commanded you.
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even to the end of the age.
Man, that.

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Word, people have probably heard
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You try to boil, you can boil
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If you boil it down to
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of what your church should be
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And that's a broad concept to
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Discipleship.
Right making disciples and you

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know that I think it's you know
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very first time where you're
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you're like hey, come, come give
Christ, give give God, give the

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Bible a chance all the way
through, you know helping

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someone, you know sanctify
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you know live, you know out
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All of that.
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So like, you know, your Sunday
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3rd graders like you are doing
this, not just the person

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standing on the street quarter
evangelizing because you I think

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you can read that and just
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and it's really, you know, you
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It's not go there for and make
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It's like, how are we living?
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And so it's all across that
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And when you put it that way, it
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play a part and know that this
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Even if other things happen.
This is like the main thing.

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Yep, Yep.
And so often times you'll hear

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people talk about that disciple
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down into two big chunks.
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church, you would hear us say
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We exist to glorify God by
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thanks to Christ's likeness.
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Among all nations, that's right.
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this is, you know, you have
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lots of ways that this has been
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of twofold process, first
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once they are in Christ, helping
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Yeah.
And so if you were looking at

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your church, I think, I think
it's good as my church about

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these things.
Is there an emphasis on things

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like evangelism?
Is there emphasis on things like

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teaching?
Are we making disciples all

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across that spectrum?
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we're doing a food drive for the
neighborhood, good thing to do,

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but that's not the number one
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here to stop human trafficking,
great thing to do.

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We probably should support that
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will be involved in those things
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I think that you can maybe do

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some of those things if you have
at the outset that you are doing

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those things to help walk the
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Absolutely.
Yeah, yeah, it it.

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So if we're like, I like
painting things in extremes

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because it makes it kind of
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So on one hand, if you have all
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adopting every kid in the
community, you're giving food

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for everyone, you're fostering
everyone, you're stopping

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everything, but no one's coming
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No one's learning about Christ.
Bad job.

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You're, I mean, you're not doing
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If you are, you know, faithfully
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Frozen.
Chosen.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Then it's like, OK, there's
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There's no growth, there's no
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Like no one would go, oh, we, we
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They're loving people.
You know, if I had a problem, I

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would go to those people.
You know, if you're at the other

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end of that, then probably
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Either probably not good and you
would think that through

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discipleship that that like you
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bridge to bring the gospel.
And yeah, you are proclaiming

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God's word and at the same time
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You're doing these things and
those things aren't mutually

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exclusive.
And really the one should

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exponentially like fuel the
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Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree.

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I won't make one other comment
like these words were initially

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given to the 11 apostles at the
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mission to bring this about.
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Ephesians, Paul talks about, you
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cornerstone of the church, the
prophets and the apostles being

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the foundation, and then we're
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So if it was their mission, then
it is our mission as a church

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universal to be also about this.
That doesn't mean that, you

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know, God has gifted us
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So it doesn't mean that just
because, you know, this Great

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Commission was given out to the
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apostles, doesn't mean that you,
Zach, has to be someone who's

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baptizing people, but you should
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evangelism of people you know,
whether.

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That's.
Great however that works out in

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your individual life.
You should somehow be involved

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in the edification of of people
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And obviously your gifting may
mean that you are very heavy on,

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you know, teaching believers
and, you know, you're not as

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heavy into evangelism or vice
versa, you know, as your

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personality and God has gifted
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And the you don't have to make
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It's like I've got four
children, probably good that I

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evangelize them.
You know what I mean?

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It's like, and, and also should
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there are opportunities very
close to home where you're

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developing and, and helping
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And I like, you know, if you
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trajectory of the New Testament,
you know, we start with the

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apostles, we look at Acts, it's
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of things.
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it's like, man, every tribe,
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it's something that's going to
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in trouble, it's, it's when

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things, you know, focus on
personalities or what, whatever

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it may be, it's like, man, it's,
it's so on one hand simple, but

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it is challenging when you're
trying to, you know, make your

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church grow and these kind of
things, I think you can take

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your, your eyes off of what's
truly important.

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Yeah, especially if you're just
trying to grow numbers, grow

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numbers, grow numbers, you can
get a lot of people in, but are

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you making disciples, which is
what we're really called to do.

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One last talk about, you know,
thought on gifting.

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Really we've we, we have two
podcasts, Part 1 and 2 on

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spiritual gifts.
That's right.

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Some of our most listened to
podcasts.

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So if you haven't heard those,
go back, go back and find them.

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Summer 2024.
But we we talk about gifts

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there.
But really you can see if I in

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any organization in your
organization, my organization,

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we got different folks doing
different things have different

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talents to bring because the
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And so in a mission that that is
this big, you know, you really

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need all hands on deck and use a
naval term.

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And so whether you have the gift
of exhortation or serving or

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mercy or helps or administration
or teaching or evangelism.

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Whatever your gift is, it's one
piece of that pie that help, you

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know, bring about this big, you
know, mission of the church so

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that we can ultimately glorify
God.

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Yeah, you think of it.
Maybe this will come out in

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other podcasts, but even
thinking about the church, how

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does the Bible describe the
church?

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What analogies are used?
It's like, you know, maybe where

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there's like, you know, vine and
branches, maybe there's like

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temple, like you're saying
cornerstone building on it.

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Two of the analogies are bodies,
whether one is including the

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head or maybe Christ is the
head.

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You know, it's like Paul used
that analogy twice that that

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you're right.
Everyone's got to be kind of

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firing on full cylinders if
we're going to be more

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successful in what we're called
called to do.

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So I like that overarching
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Stay on mission, glorify God,
don't don't drift the wrong way.

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So what what would you say?
How would you caution a church?

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Church is like auditing
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What what are good signs of or
some signs that maybe there is

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some drift going on?
Yeah, maybe and we're going to

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talk more about this in the
future, but if you have some

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activities that they, the
activity is the end, right, OK.

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Yeah, This year, even if it's
like the Christmas pageant or

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the Easter, you know, whatever.
And like that becomes so high of

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a focus that your focus is on
that.

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Yeah, yeah, right.
You know, and instead of you

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know what we plan to do through
that.

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That's right.
And if you know, if someone

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would say maybe this year we're
not gonna do fill in the blank

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and people have that reaction,
then, then probably that has

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become the end, you know your.
Purpose.

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That's what you're glorifying
rather than rather than, I

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think.
I think that's good.

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You can easily confuse busyness
with faithfulness.

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It's just like everyone needs a
group or you know, you look on

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things and groups are good, but
you can just literally just be

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like, OK, we're just like maxing
out the calendar and focus on

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the programs.
But but like you said, these

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programs are kind of what we're
aiming to build, not we're not

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aiming to glorify God.
Yeah, it reminds me of the

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letter to the Ephesian church
and opening part of Revelation

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where Jesus says, you know,
you're doing all these good

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things.
You are doing good things, but

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you left, you lost your first
love.

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Yeah.
And so you, our first love has

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to be this idea of man.
Everything we do, we live and

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die by.
Does this glorify God?

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Does this meet our mandate?
One thing that we talk about,

451
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you know, we're both elders, so
we're both in on some of the

452
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decisions on activities and
stuff.

453
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But, you know, we've had this
paradigm of a plate and you can

454
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only fit so much on a plate.
You you can maybe, yeah, maybe

455
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you can do it.
So, people.

456
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Are good at stacking that.
Yeah, yeah.

457
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And does that plate, you know,
is it balanced so that it is

458
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trying to do all the things that
a church can do?

459
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And if you see one, you know, a
certain type of activity in your

460
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church just growing, growing,
growing where it is dominating

461
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what your church is doing,
that's another another

462
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,760
indication that maybe you kind
of missed the mark here.

463
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I'm going off scriptural, but I
was just thinking about, and I

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don't know if we can, we can
audit this and say this is a

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terrible thing to add in here.
Just bear with me.

466
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One, one passage I really like
is Luke 4.

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It's when Jesus is rejected at
Nazareth.

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He like reads the scroll and
says what he's going to do

469
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because everyone says, well,
Jesus is bringing all this

470
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social change and he did upend a
lot of social categories and

471
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these kind of things.
But I think this is a text

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people might point to sometimes
He reads, you know, 'cause when

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you think of the Old Testament,
it's like make the blind see,

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you know, set the captives free.
John the badges is in prison.

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Are you Jesus?
Because I heard you're going to

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set the captives free.
He's probably thinking that a

477
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little bit like, what are we?
This is what's going to happen.

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What he actually says in Luke 4
when he's, you know, reading

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Isaiah, he's quoting he, he's
reading the scroll.

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It says the spirit of the Lord
is upon me because he has

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anointed me.
And this is so interesting, the

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verbiage.
He says to proclaim good news to

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the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim a

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liberty to the captives and even
the languages.

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He's gonna do these things.
But a lot of it is giving that

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gospel message and focusing.
And it's like we even see that

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in the Messiah, Jesus Christ.
I think that's instructive for

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us, that man.
If we're not proclaiming that

489
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,200
good news and, you know,
building people towards

490
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,560
maturity, we're probably just
mixing up what is truly

491
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important.
And even his examples, when

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everyone gets mad at him, he's
talking about the widow who gave

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everything she was, you know,
poor.

494
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,760
Then he talks about naman and he
probably wasn't poor, he was

495
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poor spiritually, but it's
probably not lacking for a lot

496
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of resources.
So you try to like think

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00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,920
through, think through some of
this.

498
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And I think that helps kind of
recalibrate our mindset.

499
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Yeah.
And it, you know, if you are

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straying from the actual gospel,
then I think that would be a

501
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,480
problem too.
And, and like you said in that,

502
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in that, you know, proclaiming
liberty like our gospel should

503
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,800
be, we can deliver you from, you
know, the law of sin and death,

504
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,720
not us, but we're pointing you
to the person who can.

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And so if your church is focused
on legalism or, you know, or

506
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libertinism where you just, oh,
anything goes, then then those

507
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would be, you know, if you're
straying from the gospel itself,

508
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then you're, I would say you're
not glorifying God as well.

509
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,640
I.
Absolutely.

510
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And I think that one of the
encouragements is this is that

511
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on one level, it's like simple,
A church is a heart hard place.

512
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It it it's hard to run
successfully in quotes.

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There's a lot of, you know,
people and sinners and and

514
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stuff.
But on the other hand, it the

515
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blueprint's kind of simple,
which is I like that.

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You know, I think a lot of times
we complicate it more than it

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00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,840
needs to be.
But if you're running, I like

518
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this podcast, we're going to
kind of dissect some of the

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essentials.
Just think of that.

520
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That kind of helps you stay
grounded to being faithful to

521
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Scripture.
I think that's great.

522
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All right.
So obviously you should be

523
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aligned to to scripture.
We should evaluate, you know,

524
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,560
the the people that we have
leaders that we have programs

525
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,200
that we have in a church.
Are they existing to glorify God

526
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,360
through some of these ways?
So anything that you have to

527
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,920
recap or any final thoughts that
you have.

528
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:23,520
Well, I think, I think I, I
can't remember what it's called.

529
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,120
I should look it up.
It's probably called the Mission

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00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:26,920
of God and the mission of the
church or something like that.

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00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,280
Kevin Deyoung has a book it's
not audible to.

532
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,920
It's just so good where it just
talks about this exact thing,

533
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,720
what the church's mission is and
don't confuse it with the

534
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,600
mission of God 'cause that's a
lot broader where we're just

535
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,960
called to be faithful and make
disciples.

536
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:45,680
He also has other part he talks
about like what you were just

537
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,200
saying about, you know, this
liberty, like just trying to

538
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,240
social gospel kind of thing too.
But he gives all the these

539
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,680
contrasting viewpoints that
really just helps us focus

540
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,080
'cause I think you, you, you go
to the, you know, bookstore.

541
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No one goes to bookstores
anymore.

542
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,840
But you look at like the church
section.

543
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,360
It's like not on your mission.
It's about all these great

544
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:06,920
things you can do, you know?
Anyway, all.

545
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,960
Right.
So just to recap #1 Buck stops

546
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at glorifying God.
Obviously it would be nice just

547
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,200
to say, hey, what are you doing?
I'm glorifying God.

548
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,720
We're, we're glorifying God.
Well, there has to be some, you

549
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:21,800
know.
Practical.

550
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,200
That's right, vehicle.
For that and we're suggesting

551
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,000
that that's primarily found in
the Great Commission Bringing

552
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,360
sinners to Christ, Saints of
Christ likeness.

553
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:36,280
There's one guy that's talks
about catching fish and then.

554
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,880
I'm really making it, like,
practical.

555
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,360
That's good, yeah.
And then so next, next episode

556
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:46,600
on this subject, we'll be
looking at, you know, some of

557
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,280
the more practical ways for
priorities that a church might

558
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:57,440
have in trying to meet this goal
of evangelizing and edification

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to the end of glorifying God.
Great.

560
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,720
I love it.
Fantastic.

561
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,480
So we've got maybe three more
episodes in the Series, A four

562
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,520
episode series, I think it's.
A four episode series.

563
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:09,600
So, yeah, yeah.
Great.

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Well, that's our take.
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