The Two Witnesses: Prophets of Fire, Wrath, and Mercy

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Too soon.
Too soon.

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I don't know if we should.
Talk about this now or later.

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OK, 'cause it was an hour later.
It was an hour later.

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I don't know.
If it was that candy, it was

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that type of.
Candy, I hear it was sabotage.

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Jonathan White, one Zach Zero he
got got me good.

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Got me good Sunday school.
Yeah.

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You know what?
Just trying to be a good citizen

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of the Kingdom came.
I was coming right from a prayer

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meeting, an extra prayer meeting
early in the morning.

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We had some time to kill in
between prayer meeting and

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Sunday school.
And I'm just walking around and

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I just see a bowl of candy.
And did it say this is only for

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Jonathan's class?
It did not.

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No signs, it was just open to
anyone, right?

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It was right next to notes on
First Peter.

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So what little hints and this is
the, this is the thing that

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kills me.
I don't even, I don't like candy

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really.
I don't like it.

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Like, it's fine.
It was like something to do

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'cause it was just walking
around talking to people like I

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just had time to kill.
I like, yeah, don't even like

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these things.
Pop one of those bad boys in my

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mouth and next thing I know I'm
pulling out a crown and it's

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never happened before.
And it's like one of those

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things you hear the warnings
like, oh, don't Milk Duds can't,

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don't do it.
I said I'm invincible.

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Yeah, yeah, you're, you're like
that.

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Unbreakable.
And it turns out Berry breakable

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clear.
All it took was a couple couple

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of chews didn't even get close
to being done.

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Almost didn't believe it.
I was like, oh, there's there's

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my crown.
Trey Hawk was kind enough to

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say, you know, Zach, when you
get a little bit older, you

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gotta be worried about these
things.

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Before Hawk, you'll be switching
to Butterscotch, some Werther's

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Original, because you can't risk
those things.

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Like, thanks, Trey.
Yeah, I I actually have a couple

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crowns as as well, and but I'm
not, I'm not had that.

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I I did have one.
This is why I asked.

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You.
Does it snap?

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Because I had one crown that was
put on by a a dentist and every

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now and then it would just kind
of lift and I would talk about

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the dentist and then kind of
talking about, oh, it's fine,

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it's fine.
And what?

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And finally I was like, no, it's
weird.

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You need to check this out
because it's lifting up again.

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But basically what I've been
told about fillings or crowns is

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if something can pull them off,
you need to have it resubmitted

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anyways, yeah?
Yeah.

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And I was thinking back, I think
like a couple months ago, I was

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on a work trip in Florida.
And when you're on a work trip

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and you have like a per diem to
use, you're obviously going to

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try to use it.
And I was like on a cold stone

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Creamery because there's no
better way to spend $15 on a ice

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cream or something, you know?
And I did have, like, I was

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thinking, I don't know if this
is related or not, but something

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with, like, a lot of caramel in
it.

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Yeah.
And I felt it, like, tug at my

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tooth.
But I was like, and I was almost

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like, surprised.
Like, I was like, it was crazy,

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but nothing happened.
But maybe it was that, like, was

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loosening enough for that now?
I already came in and just got

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me.
Yeah.

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Fortunately, the crown was
intact.

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Really.
Well, you just got some super

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glue.
Put it on.

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Fastened up myself, went to the
dentist and they're like,

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everything's great.
They just, you know, put some

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cement on there.
It was like 70 bucks, which I

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was like, that's a win.
That is the best.

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But they didn't tell me like,
hey, you know, once this starts

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happening, I get it's probably
going to be good.

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But they're like, could be good
for five months, could be good

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for five years.
But it's like, you know, 50

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years, you know?
5 centuries you just don't know.

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You just don't know.
So I'm like oh man, dodge the

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bull because I don't know what a
crown costs these days but man

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this is post COVID and they
already were expensive before

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COVID.
Yeah, Yeah.

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Cool.
Yeah.

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Yeah, don't, don't want none of
that.

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Pretty good.
So how was Jonathan's class?

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Yeah, well, I guess punishment
fits the crime, 'cause I was not

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in Jonathan's class.
I just took the candy and ran

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and that's, that's that's what I
get.

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And then on top of it.
Did you have a job in another

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class?
Yes, so I had, I did have I feel

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terrible 'cause I would be upset
if it were me.

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Have responsibilities to nothing
hard, just press play, just get

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the video going.
And I was really concerned about

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like getting my appointment to
the dentist.

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Like I was hoping like this
dentist is open the weekend,

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just on Sunday, it's open on
Saturdays.

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I was like, maybe.
And I was like, try it.

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So I was like looking at
multiple dentist offices, see if

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I can just, I was like, I just
hate having this like this,

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let's get it done.
Don't want to miss work.

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And in the midst of it, I was
like, oh, Michael's been

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teaching for 5 minutes.
He probably wants us on video.

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And I just raised my hand in the
middle of it and I was like,

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hey, can I borrow your face to
scan in?

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It was it was it didn't shake up
Michael at all.

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But.
I it didn't face because we had

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really been talking about just
reviews.

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It was review.
I feel there was review but

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still it's like, oh, that's
like.

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It was the best part of the
class and the the people online

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are ever going to see it.
I, I saw him uploaded those in

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sermon audio.
So I need to do that.

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And I guess I could the last
time I taught I uploaded them

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like on a Saturday to our
channel.

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So if you want to, I guess we
could do that.

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Yeah, might, might as well.
The more the more the merrier.

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But dental stuff is not my
favorite.

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Oh yeah, I don't like the
dentist.

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Not that I like hate.
Them you know, it's just Jill is

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a dental assistant.
Makes sense now.

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Makes sense.
That's why every time I walk

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near I'm like, I shudder a
little bit.

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Kaylin is a dental assistant.
Oh yeah, that's right.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So there are some good ones out

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there I guess.
And then Jill's cousin is doing

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a hygienist.
Wow, yeah, did did Jill enjoy

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your time in that line of work?
She gotten, she loved the

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industry.
It's like.

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It's like hate the sin, love the
Sinner kind of thing.

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I think she got nervous a couple
times because you know, if

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you've been to the dentist and
hopefully you have like your

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regular cleanings, that's the
hygienist.

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But for what the assistant does
is there, they call it 4 handed

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dentistry because the dentist
two hands and your two hands and

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you're like basically getting
the instruments and stuff and

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you're doing the suction when
there's like fillings and crowns

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and stuff.
And she was always, she was

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always afraid her hand was going
to cramp up and, like, bump his

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hand and like, what he's like,
you know?

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Yeah.
But that is pressure.

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Yeah, that's true.
She eventually, I guess his

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front office person left.
You know, Jill is just such a

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person.
Oh yeah.

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Person Oh yeah, yeah, that she
moved up to the.

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Oh, nice.
And she was.

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And she was just a receptionist
from then on out, not just she

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was the receptionist.
Sounds like you're taking a shot

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out.
Have you ever?

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I am.
So sorry if you're just filled

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that role from then on out, Not
that.

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She was, Yeah.
Like they don't.

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You're saying.
Like they just don't do much

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right.
Is that you went down on a

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T-shirt?
I'm just kidding.

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Yeah.
But you know, she had to handle

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like all the insurance and stuff
and and billing and and stuff

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and call people and be like,
hey, we need your money.

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Oh, I bet that's a big thing
because, you know, no one likes

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to pay their bills, you know,
and they remind, especially when

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they're on payments or, you
know, it's a lot of money.

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I will tell this story.
Can't wait.

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Don't, don't be mad at me, Jill,
but you know how I, you know how

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there's different alpha numeric
things for different systems,

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like for the military.
I, I know the military like it's

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ABCDEF.
If you're, you know, you know,

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if you're going to use that to
spell out someone's name.

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And then the policemen have like
Adam, I don't know, they're all

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like male names.
So Charles Daniel Edwards and

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stuff.
And, and she would, you know,

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talk to these insurance people
and they would, you know, they

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would spell something out and
they would use it and they

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would, But she just thought it
was just like, you know, random,

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like I'll just.
Make up your own.

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Just make up your own.
And so she was like, I always

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try to be creative.
But then she was noticed that

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like they were always using the
same one.

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And that dawned on her that, you
know, that they should be, you

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know.
I honestly, I respect it.

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That's great, 'cause I yeah,
because you can.

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I mean, I'm, I'm with Jill on
this.

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I think, I think people, more
people should make up.

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Their like elephant E as in.
You're trying to think on the

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fly.
As in spaghetti.

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Honestly, that's way more fun
and we should do that.

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Yeah, it's great.
Yeah, All right.

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I love it.
So basically you're saying what?

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Well, let me just ask Sunday
morning, were there any

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witnesses to you getting this an
hour later?

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Oh, Chris Hawk.
Chris Hawk saw me.

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We talked about him and he was
like.

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And Trey, I guess.
And well, I talked to Trey in

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the aftermath, aftermath.
Chris was right there.

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I was like, and I was maybe he
was like someone else was there.

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There were two witnesses.
There were two.

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And I made this joke like,
should I take this?

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Not in this unlistical class.
And, you know, and Chris, I

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don't know, Chris, like he
started talking about the

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history.
And now and later he was like,

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he's like, he's like, he's like,
oh, these were like when I was a

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youth group, that's what you
would get.

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Like now we're like now in
language or whatever they are,

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it's like they've been doing
these a long time.

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I remember now, leaders, I
remember I'm gonna sound like an

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old person.
I remember walking from my

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grandparents house across the
railroad tracks downtown Bald

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Knob, and there was this little
corner store called Butler's, I

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think.
And they would have.

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They don't even make them
anymore.

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They would have, you know, Jolly
ranchers like this, the kind

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that you would that are like
small, then they would have the

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kind that are like like maybe
half the size of a ruler.

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I think the.
Jolly Rancher half the size of a

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ruler?
Yeah, but.

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Thin you never seen these?
I don't know if I've seen.

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These they look like like if you
took a ruler.

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Jolly Rancher brand, Yes.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Took a ruler and like cut it at
six inches and it's like thin

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like that too.
And then they had some of their

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like 3 inches, like maybe 1/4
size.

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And I would get change and I
would, you know, like nickels.

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Oh, I see what you're saying.
Like like these kind of things.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, I have seen these.

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OK, I don't know why this is
blowing my mind.

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I'm just not used to Jelly
Rangers being this way.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you know, quarter, I would

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beg my grandmother for 1/4 and
then you could go buy like 3 or

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4 different pieces of candy and
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And narrators was one of them.
So narrators, there you go.

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Well, I got me and never again.
It's like, I don't even like

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those things.
I like me.

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So I mean, it's like not like
they're not They're fine.

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Laffy taffy.
Now laters are are more likely

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to pull because they're very
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They're, they're very, Yeah,
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So that, yeah, that was my
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So you got it done yesterday?
Got it done yesterday, good to

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go.
Sweet, cool.

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All right, so you had two
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treachery against Jonathan.
It's very yeah, that it was very

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apocalyptic, but the world was
spinning.

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Crazy things were happening.
So, visions of beasts.

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Calling down fire or anything.
It wouldn't surprise me.

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Yeah, it it felt like that when
that my world was just upside

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down.
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mentioned, Revelation very
prominent.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And and we have their names, so

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we know exactly.
You know, there's no, no

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disagreement.
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So I'm excited to get into this.
Who doesn't love a good

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Revelation podcast?
I mean, no one, no one doesn't

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love it.
Well, let's get into it.

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Let's go ahead and take it to
the next level.

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From the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level 2 witnesses of revelation.
This is based off of a paper I

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wrote long ago.
So I gave this paper that I

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wrote to chat and I said, hey,
dude, turn this into a an

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outline.
So hopefully none of our

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listeners are concerned about
that.

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So this is original stuff then?
I just said it.

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So what what class was this for?
Was it for like were you going

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to the book Revelation or is it
like you picked a what was?

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Probably New Testament 2 or
something.

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OK, yeah, I don't know.
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Have to go back and and look and
see I just have a folder of a

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whole bunch of papers I wrote.
So sometimes I'm looking through

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those and like, Oh yeah, that we
could podcast on that.

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I love it.
And your school?

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Southeast is South SES.
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SAS, Southern.
Southern.

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Evangelical See, I hate.
Seminary.

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It's great.
No, that's good.

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But it's like everything
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Or, you know, it makes it hard
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Southern Evangelical and
Southeast Seminary.

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Is it?
Is it?

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What is it?
Southeastern.

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There is Southeastern, Yeah.
Southeastern would be like ASBC

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school.
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Well, tell me this.
So they don't have a, do they

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take a stance on like end times
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It's pretty broad.
It's like evangelical or is it

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like pigeonholed a certain way?
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believes that might share with
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don't.
They don't.

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So people could be writing
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long as it's orthodox.
Yeah, this is one of those times

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when you I look back and I'm a
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we had to read their doctrinal
statement and say whether we

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agreed with it or not, and if we
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what we disagreed with and why,
which I appreciated.

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That's good to pay attention.
And so I part of their thing was

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the imminent return of Christ.
And I put in there that I wasn't

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sure that the return of Christ
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that there were some things that
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returns.
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imminent was that the bodily
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could be anytime imminent.
And so, OK, I felt foolish after

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writing.
That and you're like, gotcha, I

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was just testing you.
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But yeah, so that was the only
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view on the End Times.
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I, I was, I was just curious
because Revelation is such a.

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It's an easy book to understand.
Yeah, it's really elementary.

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It's like.
Our ladies are actually going

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through it for their Bible.
Study they are.

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I'm really curious.
It's like a Gin Wilkins study.

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I'm really curious, you know, is
it really just focus?

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On that again.
We need more Beth Moore.

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It's great.
It's great where it's like such

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a fascinating book.
I think a lot of people either

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really lean heavy into it or
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Maybe like the first bit of it.
And then it's like, I don't know

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if we wanna with the caveat,
it's hard.

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To.
Walk that line.

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You wanna preach with
conviction, and you also don't

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wanna, like, overemphasize
stuff.

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Revelation.
I can see being challenged

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because you gotta stick with
something, but you can't caveat

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everything.
But you can't say everything's

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dogmatic.
It's a tough one.

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If you believe this, then this
is how you interpret it.

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And if you believe this and this
is how you're interpreted, and

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it's like you can't.
You can't really.

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Yeah, when I was younger, I
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And while I was always a post
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I believe there was an actual
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So I would read the left behind
books and stuff.

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But then the left behind books,
they became like a soap opera or

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something.
It's like they just try to drag

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that thing on and make money.
That money, Tim Lahaye or

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whatever your name was, they
made like a kids version of it

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too.
Like when I was in, when I was

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like probably 4th through 8th
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like prime time for these kids
and, and, and they had like 25

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of them, but they were like very
small, like short.

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But they were again, they just
kept going and going and going.

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And it's like where did we?
I think they started out maybe

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and it just where they end up.
It's kind of crazy.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right, so.

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Tim Lahaye.
I should say I think he's a Bob

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Jones grad.
Oh, yeah, right.

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I'm not even joking.
Might be.

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I'm not.
I don't wanna speak out.

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My turn here.
My.

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Eldest daughter Chloe is the
protagonist, one of the

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protagonists in the Left Behind
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And.
At that point in time, I did not

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know how to pronounce it, so I'm
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I am pronouncing Chilo the whole
time it mentally in my mind

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until like I talk about it with
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Baptist and and then I said
something like cholo and they're

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like cholo and they started
laughing at me and they're like,

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you mean Chloe you?
Made me Chloe.

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Yeah, that's funny.
It's one of those of you don't

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like, have a Chloe in your life
that you're like running it

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down.
It maybe doesn't.

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And now it seems so natural.
It's a Greek word, so therefore

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the chapter is a cup.
But you know, if you don't know

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that, you don't know that.
Dude, Tim Will.

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Hey baby.
Bob Jones, grad, 1950.

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There you go.
Wow.

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Yeah, he graduated in 1950.
Got his Bachelor of Arts in

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1950.
Wow, wow, look.

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Look.
My parents were born in 1950.

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Look at that guy.
Look at that.

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He's.
Not alive anymore, right?

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He died at age of 90 in 2016.
OK, all right, so I'll say.

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There you go.
Well, maybe we should read the

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text.
Should be good.

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Yeah, that is foundational to
our discussion today, the two

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witnesses of Revelation.
This is a curiosity.

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Well, I guess it's more than a
curiosity because it's in God's

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Word.
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curiosity because we don't have
a lot of details other than what

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I'm going to read you.
And so we kind of try to, you

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know, figure out what what what
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So this is Revelation 11 and
I'll just start in verse one.

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It says then there was given me
a measuring rod like a staff and

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someone said get up and measure
the temple of God and the altar

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and those who worship in it
leave out the court which is

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outside the temple and do not
measure it, for it was given to

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the nations.
And they will tread under foot

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the holy city for 42 months.
And I will grant authority to my

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2 witnesses and they will
prophecy for 260 days clothed in

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sackcloth.
These are the 2 olive trees and

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the two lampstands that stand
before the Lord of the earth.

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And if anyone wants to harm
them, fire flows out of their

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mouth and devours their enemies.
So if anyone wants to harm them,

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he must be killed in this way.
These have the power to shut up

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the sky so that the rain will
not fall during the days of

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their prophesying, and they have
power over the waters to turn

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them into blood and to strike
the earth with every plague as

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often as they desire.
When they have finished their

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testimony, the beast that comes
up out of the abyss will make

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war with them and overcome them
and kill them, and their dead

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bodies will lie in the street of
the great city, which mystically

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is called Sodom and Egypt, where
also their Lord was crucified.

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Those from the the peoples and
tribes and tongues and nations

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will look at their dead bodies
for 3 1/2 days and will not

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permit their dead bodies to be
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And those who dwell on the earth
will rejoice over them and

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celebrate, and they will send
gifts to one another, because

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these two prophets tormented
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But after the 3 1/2 days, the
breath of life from God came

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into them and they stood on
their feet and great fear fell

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upon those who were watching
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And they heard a loud voice from
heaven saying to them, Come up

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here.
Then they went up into heaven in

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the cloud and their enemies
watched them.

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And in the hour and in that hour
there was a great earthquake and

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a tenth of the city fell. 7000
people were killed in the

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earthquake and the rest were
terrified and gave glory to God

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of to the God of heaven.
The second woe was passed.

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Behold, the third woe is coming
quickly, so we probably don't

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actually need a podcast anymore.
Just.

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It's just so clear, so clear now
that that is good.

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It's good to good to read the
text and you many of you might

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be familiar with this, maybe
not, but there there's a lot of

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there's a lot of words and
numbers that probably catch your

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eye that you're like, oh, these
are similar.

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They're patterns. 3 1/2 days
half of the tribulation.

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So like those 3 1/2 days are
symbolic one way or the other.

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Either they are symbolic of the
half of the tribulation or it is

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saying that these these people
you know, were dead for maybe

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the first half of the trip trip
tribulation 'cause there are

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people who don't take these as
literal people and they do come

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right after him talking about
the outer courts being for the.

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Nation.
Yeah.

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So that's another
interpretation.

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You'll hear.
Nations and then you even hear.

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I mean, we'll get into it like,
oh, there's blood plagues like

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you, your mind goes different
places.

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So I like in the notes, at least
where it starts up.

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Let's let's try to get our
bearings, our context.

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We're kind of kind of smack dab
in the middle of Revelation kind

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of and depending on, you know,
different ways you can read

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Revelation.
Is it like one, we're going

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chronologically?
Is it like we got four or five

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recapitulations?
And if you did that, some would

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probably say that Chapter 11.
Is the end of a recapitulation

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in chapter 12 with the woman and
the dragon kind of restarts the

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story.
So in one, you know, like maybe

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an aw mill view.
It's almost like this is the end

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of time.
Like like really end of time

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kind of thing.
Right.

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And so just to kind of expound
on that way of because the first

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time I heard you tell me this, I
was not tracking what you were

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laying down, I think.
So you could be let's just say a

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litterless with respect to the
millennial reign that there will

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be 1000 years rain and and and
let's say you could be a literal

450
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,280
7 year tribulation followed by
at least 1000 year rain, maybe

451
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:59,280
longer than 1000 year rain.
So either one of those things

452
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,400
could be the case.
Or you could be an all mill or a

453
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:10,840
post mill and I think you could
be any of those stripes and

454
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,520
still have different ways that
you read this.

455
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,880
So some people would read the
the bells.

456
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,720
I said is it bells?
It's not Bells.

457
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,000
The trumpets, the bulls or
bulls?

458
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the there's a.

459
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,240
Is it seal?
Is it seal?

460
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:30,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You could read those as serial

461
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,080
events.
So is it all the seals and then

462
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,360
those are trumpets and then the
bowls might?

463
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:38,640
Be.
Right.

464
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:43,080
And like the 6th of the the 6th
one of the seals.

465
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,160
Opens up.
Oh no, the 7th one of the seals

466
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,840
opens up the next 7, and then
the 7th of that opens up the

467
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,520
next 7.
So some people view these as,

468
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,360
you know, these events, these
events, these events and just

469
00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:58,480
happening across the
tribulation.

470
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,880
Some people would say this is
basically telling the Story 3

471
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,320
times from three different
perspectives.

472
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,280
And maybe it's like
intensifying, yeah, like the

473
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,440
heavenly perspective, yeah, you
get these.

474
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,000
And maybe it's crescendoing.
And their argument might be

475
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,160
well, you only can lose a third
of the stars so many times.

476
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,960
Like you, there's always so many
of these.

477
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,720
Things lose a third of the well,
actually.

478
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:20,480
No, it goes.
Yeah, you.

479
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,240
Could lose.
Mathematically, you could keep

480
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,200
losing 1/3 of the stars, 1/3 of
what's left.

481
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:25,880
Yeah, I see what you're.
Saying, but but they're like,

482
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,520
it's so cataclysmic all the
time.

483
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,560
It's like, aren't we gonna, do
we run out of people at some

484
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,560
point or I don't know, you know?
And I think so.

485
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,000
So I think it's possible that
you could believe there's a

486
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:41,520
seven-year tribulation and think
that it is straightforward or

487
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,520
it's the cycle.
It could be that recapitulation,

488
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:43,840
yeah.
Yeah.

489
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,400
Or even if you thought it was
symbolic, it could be, you know,

490
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,920
these things could be either
way.

491
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,640
So the more I have entertained
this idea, the more I think

492
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,160
maybe it's likely because you
are.

493
00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:01,160
It's weird that, you know, this
woman shows up in front of the

494
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,800
dragon again.
You're like, this is so out of

495
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,320
place it seems like.
Why would this show up in the

496
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,520
middle here?
Yeah, it's weird.

497
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,520
You look at it and it, the more
I read it, I kind of do like

498
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,920
this recapitulation, but the way
it recapitulates, it doesn't

499
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,720
perfectly.
There's a couple times you're

500
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,640
like, that's not perfect and I
don't know, it is, it is a

501
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,800
challenging thing.
So anyway, that's we're we're

502
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,760
kind of this comes right before
1/7 trumpet like as we're

503
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:34,160
setting the context.
To and so like we said timing

504
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,760
theories first half of the
tribulation John Clay's only

505
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,360
within the trumpets Damon Duck a
parenthetical interlude William

506
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:47,640
McDonald so those are different
commentate commentators on the

507
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,520
Bible.
And so the take away is there's

508
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,600
not a consensus as to when.
This happens that that that's a

509
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,760
good, good point.
So talking about these two

510
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,320
witnesses seem pretty prominent.
A lot, a lot is placed on them.

511
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:07,480
And then we, we get some imagery
around it that at least gets us,

512
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:13,000
gets us thinking a little bit. 2
olive trees, lampstands.

513
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,800
We we, oh, some Old Testament
imagery that you're probably,

514
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,640
you know, connecting.
If you wanted to convict

515
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,360
someone, you had it had to be on
the testimony of two or more

516
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:22,280
witnesses.
Yeah.

517
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,840
So that's just a theme in of of
itself.

518
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,920
So that means.
God sends 2 witnesses to the

519
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,800
earth and basically he's like
I'm observing everything.

520
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,800
I'm gonna, I am convicting you
of these evil doings.

521
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,600
So this is kind of that's Mosaic
law.

522
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,000
No, Yeah, that, that's really
good.

523
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,160
So if you're so you're
automatically thinking Mosaic

524
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,120
law, Yeah, that's good.
And then there's some other

525
00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:43,240
things that you know could be
connected.

526
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,080
You know the 2 olive trees and
lamp stand back in Zechariah 4.

527
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,200
Maybe we should turn to that and
just read that I will never find

528
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,640
Zechariah because I got to sing
that song.

529
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,280
What a good.
Name Zechariah Zechariah

530
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:08,200
Zechariah.
Let's see Zachariah 4.

531
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,400
You found it I.
Found it.

532
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,040
Vision of a golden lampstand we
got.

533
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,080
It's not super long, but it's 14
verses.

534
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,880
Yeah, maybe if we can just find
the oh, maybe breathe a little

535
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,280
bit and and we'll go from there.
You got it.

536
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,000
I'll go.
I'll start in verse one.

537
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,840
And the Angel who talked with me
came again and woke me like a

538
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,200
man who was awakened out of his
sleep.

539
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,640
And he said to me, What do you
see?

540
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,120
I said, I see.
And behold A lampstand all of

541
00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:37,720
gold, with a bowl on top of it,
and seven lamps on it, with 7

542
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,520
ellipse on each of the lamps
that are on top of it.

543
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,400
And there are two olive trees by
it, one on the right of the bowl

544
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,200
and the other on it's left.
And I said that the Angel will

545
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,600
talk to me.
What are these my Lord?

546
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,560
And the Angel who talked to me
answered and said to me, don't

547
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,800
you know what these are?
I said, no, my Lord.

548
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,360
And he said to me, This is the
word of the Lord's desirable,

549
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,160
not by might or my power, but my
spirit, says the Lord of Host,

550
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,040
Who are you, O great mountain,
before his ruble you shall

551
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,880
become a plane, and he shall
bring forward a top stone amid

552
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,280
shouts of grace, grace to its
You wanna keep going.

553
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,760
No, I think that's good.
So maybe the illusion here is

554
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,400
not clear, but this was in a
commentary where someone was

555
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,440
saying that basically these
these two witnesses may be like

556
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,800
these two olive trees that are
standing on either one of these

557
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:29,000
lamp stands and kind of Harkins
back has that same I I will.

558
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,160
Mention this as I'm scanning
ahead.

559
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,240
You know the word of the Lord
came to Zechariah and talked

560
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,600
about ruble like the foundation
of his house and these kind of

561
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,800
things and says the seven eyes
are of the Lord.

562
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,000
Eventually it kinda he's going
back and forth.

563
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,960
You know what are the two
branches of the olive trees

564
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,880
which are beside the golden
pipes from the golden oils

565
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,320
poured out.
He said to me, don't you know

566
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:48,880
what these are?
And again, Zechariah was like,

567
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,720
no, And he said these are the
two anointed ones who stand by

568
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,800
the Lord of the whole earth.
So kind of bringing it back to

569
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,840
that at the end too.
Right, right.

570
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,320
So, so this idea that, you know,
maybe they are anointed and, and

571
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,080
they're watching.
So it's hard to, you know,

572
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,520
someone was asking me, I walked
it.

573
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,880
Well, it was Isaac's wife and,
and she was saying, you know,

574
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,600
can you explain to me some of
the prophets 'cause I'm reading

575
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,920
them and I'm like, no, I can't.
I was like, I read Isaiah and

576
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,880
like I have I, I, it's hard to
know.

577
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,960
Are you talking to Israel?
Are you talking about the church

578
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,440
you talking about?
Like it's so it's hard.

579
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,040
Sometimes it is difficult to put
some of these smaller things

580
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,720
together.
Olive oil imagery crushed before

581
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,920
flowing, foreshadowing their
martyrdom.

582
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,160
So this, you know, the olives
are crushed and the, the, the

583
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,480
oil flows out.
So the just different ideas that

584
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:46,160
are connected to, you know,
maybe some images from the Old

585
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,520
Testament.
Who are these people?

586
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,720
Man, that would help out a lot.
You know, I think if you're

587
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,120
reading the text, we see they
have the power to shut the sky

588
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:58,000
so that no rain may fall during
the days of their prophesying.

589
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,080
That makes you think that you're
like Elijah.

590
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,640
Yeah, or Chinese weather
tampering, one of those two if

591
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,040
it's nations, you know.
One of those two, yeah, that

592
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,320
that just falls out really
nicely where you're like, OK,

593
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,200
that's interesting to have that
power.

594
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,600
Then then they have the power
over the waters to turn them

595
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,240
into blood and to strike the
earth with every kind of plague.

596
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,160
And so you kind of think.
Moses.

597
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,840
Yeah, that's like naturally
maybe where your mind when you I

598
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,560
know growing up in the church I
did that was kind of you did

599
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,480
preach on Revelation and that
was kind of like the go to or

600
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,840
the consensus.
Yeah, the the other argument

601
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,360
that I heard, and it's not
necessarily, you know, you're

602
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:36,920
just trying to think through,
you know, there's a verse in the

603
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,120
Bible that says it's appointed
under once man, it's appointed

604
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,360
unto every man wants to die.
And then the judgement, well, we

605
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,440
have two people that are
recorded who did not die natural

606
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,200
deaths.
And one of them.

607
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,200
One of them is Elijah, so that
fits, but the other one is not

608
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,600
Moses, it's Enoch.
So, you know, I don't know,

609
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,200
maybe some have argued for Enoch
as being Elijah and Enoch.

610
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,880
So maybe John the Baptist has
some votes for him 'cause Jesus

611
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,480
says he has the spirit of
Elijah.

612
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,600
Any other?
Entertaining Angel.

613
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,120
Not just any Angel.
Entertaining Angel, you know?

614
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,120
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

615
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,080
That's great.
That's good.

616
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,240
And then, but like you said,
some people view this as not

617
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,000
actual people.
Yeah.

618
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:36,000
So that it could be Israel, the
church, the law and prophets.

619
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,640
Maybe it's some historical
figure, James and Peter, the law

620
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,560
on the temple.
Maybe it's two nations that God

621
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,280
is using, you know, symbolically
through this.

622
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,040
Yeah, it's tough.
Tough to be dogmatic.

623
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So looking at what they do,

624
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,240
their ministries and their
miracles, we like you already

625
00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:00,480
said, there's power over the
rain, power over plagues and

626
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,200
water to blood fire from their
mouths.

627
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,440
Yeah, that's a phrase you also,
you know, confined in Scripture

628
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:09,280
a little bit.
Yeah.

629
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,560
Yeah, think of the Sons of
Thunder trying to call fire down

630
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,600
from heaven.
Yeah, yeah.

631
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,880
So you think James and John an
entertaining note.

632
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,160
It's like God gives them a mash
up of Moses and Elijah's

633
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,160
highlight reels.
Yeah, I think it's interesting

634
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,760
that that specific language is
used, you know, and then, you

635
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,120
know, Moses and Elijah elsewhere
are kind of paired together, you

636
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,240
know, you know, that kind of
thing.

637
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,440
So it's like maybe, but yeah,
global versus local.

638
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,200
That's a good question.
You know, are these plagues like

639
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,640
just like in front of the people
or is it like these plagues are

640
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,240
happening?
Everywhere, Yeah, yeah.

641
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,200
I mean, it certainly reads.
You get the sense that it's

642
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,680
worldwide.
But yeah, yeah.

643
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,840
All right and so then we did
look at their death.

644
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,320
So the beast from the abyss,
probably the Antichrist or the

645
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,800
anti spirit.
Have you heard about this idea

646
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:07,520
that the Antichrist right tries
to do an anti Trinity?

647
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,760
So there's the beast, the
prophet and the and so then I

648
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,680
think the Antichrist is like
Antichrist and then the beast is

649
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,560
maybe the anti spirit or
something.

650
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,360
I don't I.
Anyways, the Beast from the

651
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,800
Abyss finally kills them.
Once their mission is complete,

652
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,400
their bodies are left in
Jerusalem.

653
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,040
So we're told that it's Egypt.
And what's the other Sodom?

654
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,720
Sodom not not great, not great
places to be called from

655
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,440
scriptural.
Standards, but we're told it's

656
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,240
actually where Jesus crucified.
So that's yes, that's

657
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,520
interesting.
Yeah.

658
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,640
Yeah.
So it's very, very weird.

659
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,800
And they celebrate the the death
of these people who were trying

660
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,560
to do good.
Hard to imagine in our society

661
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,400
that people would celebrate the
death of someone.

662
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,360
Can you imagine?
Yeah, yeah.

663
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,080
And then they are dead for 3 1/2
days.

664
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,960
And this is very symbolic, so
you can go through all the

665
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,720
numbers and you'll find that
they stand for different things.

666
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,840
I mean, even even in what you
read, we see 42 months or your

667
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,560
version I think did the actual
days of that maybe 1260 days

668
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,840
like we see even in this passage
a lot of different symbolism

669
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,520
when it comes to days or they
mean something.

670
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,320
Yeah, and, and lots of times
you'll hear a time.

671
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,920
Or times.
And a half a time, more times

672
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,720
and time and half the time, and
then that all adds up to 3 1/2.

673
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,480
So there's something going on
here.

674
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,040
I always feel like, you know, I
always say there's something

675
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,800
going on here because I don't, I
don't want to Thunder on what I

676
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,520
because I don't think you can
reasonably, there will be people

677
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,680
who will tell you this is
exactly what all these things

678
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,480
mean and that they have it all
nailed down.

679
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,200
That's great.
I just don't know how well we

680
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,520
can know for sure that that's
what's going on.

681
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,280
Yeah, I think, I think that's
probably probably wise to try to

682
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,320
get sketch out the big framework
picture and and maybe not nail

683
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,760
down every single detail.
Yeah, but then, but then after

684
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,520
the 3 1/2 days.
Then they come back to.

685
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:08,880
Live.
They're coming back, yeah.

686
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,240
And people are not happy,
they're scared.

687
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,000
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

688
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,640
And then they does it say that
they when they come back to

689
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,600
life, that they do more
judgement and then they're

690
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,240
called up.
Yeah, it says they, they say

691
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,680
they heard a voice from heaven
saying come up here and they

692
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,200
wanted heaven in the cloud and
their enemies watched them with

693
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,960
followed by an earthquake, a
tenth of the city fell 7000

694
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,320
killed the rest were terrified
and gave glory to God of heaven.

695
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,680
And then it ends.
The second woe has passed.

696
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,480
So on top of these trumpets, we
got 3 woes you know in.

697
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,760
Here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

698
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,800
All right.
So the fruit of their ministry

699
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,080
fear.
For sure, there's definitely

700
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,320
fear it would make anyone, and
fear's a good motivator.

701
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,840
It can be a good motivator.
You don't want to be the only

702
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,400
motivator, but it could be the
initial motivator, Maybe for

703
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,840
some repentance.
Are these genuine conversions?

704
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,280
Are they temporary?
That's a good point.

705
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,760
God is pouring out His wrath in
hope to extend his mercy and

706
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:11,920
hope.
You know, that's the

707
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,400
anthropomorphism.
But yeah, I think we'd get it.

708
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,600
Yeah, like it we're not getting
it to here there.

709
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,520
I know like chat and dissect in
your paper said maybe beginning

710
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,800
of 144,000.
This is a good question on the

711
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,400
literalness revelation isn't
like 144.

712
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,320
I know that's outside.
The school we're talking about.

713
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,280
But it gets to the complication
of the numbers.

714
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,400
Is it like a multiple of 12 and
so something or is it like the

715
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,239
oral because some people are as
time goes on that number seems

716
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,000
smaller like a small number.
Yeah, it does seem like a small

717
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,239
number at a quick aside.
Do you know how many people were

718
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,639
invited to Bilbo and Frodo's
birthday party?

719
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:50,400
No. 144,000 Well.
Not 144,000, just 144, but we'll

720
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,000
see.
Like even in literature like

721
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,239
that, 144 can mean like a
fullness I could complete.

722
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,320
Now at that time, Bilbo was
turning 111, Frodo was turning

723
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,600
33.
Add them together, you get 144.

724
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,960
And so they wanted one for each
one of their years.

725
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,680
But I just say that 144,000
generally means like it's full,

726
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:14,440
like it's complete.
And so do I think there's a

727
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,200
literally 144,000 conversions,
probably more than that.

728
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,440
Probably more, yeah, 'cause I
think some, what is it the like

729
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,120
7th Day Adventist or some, some
sort of like they've, they

730
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,800
really like, love this.
Number.

731
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,520
Yeah, yeah.
And so maybe different ways that

732
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,040
you can interpret this, just a
fullness of the 12 tribes, maybe

733
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,760
it's a fullness of the 12 tribes
and the Gentiles.

734
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,240
So that's the 12 * 12 put
together.

735
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,840
We don't know.
We just know that that it's

736
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,520
going to be complete in God's
eyes.

737
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,160
Yeah, that that's good to get
with those broad, broad strokes.

738
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,160
So some broader theological
reflections.

739
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,920
You know, there's this emphasis
on witnesses.

740
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,280
We see angels everywhere all
over the revolution here.

741
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:01,240
It's like specific in some way
these two witnesses seems like

742
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:03,840
law, profit, maybe whatever.
It seems like there's something

743
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,800
significant about that side of
things.

744
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,560
Yeah, and they, they, God has
them die for 3 1/2 days,

745
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,040
assuming literal people.
And so it'd be kind of hard to

746
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,600
have angels do that.
So.

747
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,720
Right.
Yeah, That that, that's a good,

748
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,400
good point too.
They do fulfill the role of the

749
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,200
prophets because they are, you
know, you know, showing God's

750
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:29,720
judgement and and extending his
mercy to those who repent kind

751
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:34,920
of echoes Christ and.
Yeah, they're even living out

752
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,680
this picture, kind of.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that and

753
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,000
Lazarus couldn't think the other
guy's name, who also came back.

754
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:42,000
That's right.
That's right.

755
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're in sackcloth.

756
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,120
Yeah.
Is that stuff even manufactured

757
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,760
anymore?
I've heard that burlap is like

758
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,200
the the closest.
Thing to it, yeah, yeah, yeah.

759
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,160
That's interesting.
We maybe should bring sackcloth

760
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,640
back.
Literally bring it back.

761
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,840
We could do it once Sunday.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

762
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,040
But, you know, one of the
takeaways you could have is

763
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,440
that, you know, these people
were faithful to God's calling

764
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:06,840
even in tough times, like
they're going to lose their life

765
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,760
being obedient.
Yeah.

766
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,440
So.
Yeah.

767
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,160
All right.
Anything on about some newer

768
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,240
things?
So 2 witnesses could be a lot of

769
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:17,800
prophets.
Old Testament, New Testament.

770
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,760
They could be modern day
prophets.

771
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,600
Preterist view is as fulfilled
in the 1st century idealist

772
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,920
view.
They symbolize the Church

773
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,160
prophetic role across all ages,
literal or.

774
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,640
Yeah, some are always tough.
And it's like, it's like one

775
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,360
thing.
I always kind of go back and

776
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,760
forth.
I think you can go astray in the

777
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,200
literalist interpretation.
I can try and all these on bad.

778
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,880
Also idealist.
You're almost like stripping.

779
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,000
When you open that door up, it's
like this is like, you know, the

780
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,480
sorry clay, the blurry creatures
host.

781
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,880
The guests are almost always, I
feel like they're spot on, but

782
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,120
the host, they just seem like
they'll like try to type

783
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,360
anything that that could
possibly be and I think you can

784
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,560
swing it too far that.
Way.

785
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:04,040
Yeah.
And so it's like you read

786
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,320
Revelation.
There's so many different

787
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,400
theories, and it's like, I've
always heard Michael Krueger

788
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,400
does a good class revelation
that you can audit at Reform

789
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,280
Theological Seminary, and he
kind of falls into this view

790
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,840
that's like, hey, maybe we
should have an eclectic view.

791
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,240
A little bit here a bit.
You don't want to totally be

792
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:22,600
idealist, but there are probably
some idealistic themes.

793
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,320
Literal.
He's got to be.

794
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,480
I think we he defines it like
people have gone wrong when they

795
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,040
say literal.
They literally live and breathe

796
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,280
by every number versus like what
you were saying, that probably

797
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,440
has a problem.
Yeah.

798
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,640
And I know, you know, we, we
both know someone who's very

799
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,680
strong exactly 1000 years.
Oh yeah, yeah.

800
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:52,040
And I'm like in maybe that would
make sense back in, you know,

801
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:58,360
100100AD, but it doesn't seem
like if we've had 2000 years of

802
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,880
like basically Christ not being
literally here, it seems like we

803
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,480
would have more than 1000 years
to me.

804
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,920
If you really want to fulfill
all the Davidic covenant and you

805
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,600
have someone raining on the the
throne and you see like earth

806
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,520
going and you have people who
die at 100 and that seems young.

807
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,760
It seems like you're going to
have it longer than 1000.

808
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,280
If those passages are, you know
what they.

809
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,240
Mean and and I'll look at
something like that 144,000 and

810
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:31,600
I would say probably more than
that.

811
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,720
Like I would look at that, you
know, thousand year, right and

812
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:39,880
I'm OK with like if someone says
like, you know, Jesus was dead

813
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,960
for three days, I'm not like was
it 72 hours?

814
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,160
You know what I mean?
Like there there's like.

815
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,560
Was it 68 hours?
Then that's a lie.

816
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,160
You know, yeah.
So I think, I think, yeah,

817
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,200
there's there.
I mean, it's, it's not going to,

818
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,320
it's not like, oh, 50 years,
like like, but you know what I

819
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,360
mean?
There's like, right.

820
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,760
Yeah.
Like it means something.

821
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,600
If it was 980 years, you might
still feel cheated.

822
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:04,360
But if?
It's 100,000 years, you're not

823
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,520
going to feel cheated.
Right.

824
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,480
And so it's like, yeah, So
anyway, all these different

825
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,880
views, I think, you know, some
have their merit.

826
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,520
Like even, you know, there's a
lot of good things about

827
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,320
predators view.
There's a lot of bad things

828
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,000
about that full predecessor,
obviously, but partial.

829
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,040
Yeah.
So it's like you've got these

830
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,760
different views.
I think a lot of them get some

831
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,760
things right.
It's hard to, you know, tie it

832
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,880
into the perfect, perfect view,
you know?

833
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,840
So here's what we need to call
on our viewers and listeners.

834
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,080
You tell us who they are.
Oh, there you.

835
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,760
Go tell us.
Tell us what you think and and

836
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,600
if you've got anything good,
maybe we'll we'll come back to

837
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:40,840
it.
So, and it's like when you read

838
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,800
something like this, you you
would just hope like you saw

839
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,680
these two witnesses walking in.
You would.

840
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,840
It's just like when you read,
there's so much deception and

841
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,200
these kind of things.
It's like, yeah, yeah.

842
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:50,960
Crazy.
Yeah, Yeah.

843
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,400
Because you would think, yeah.
So anyway, yeah, I love it.

844
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,160
Revelation.
A little throwing a curveball on

845
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,640
there, but I like it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good.

846
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,520
So anything else?
I got nothing else.

847
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,760
All right, that is our take.
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848
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,040
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849
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,760
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