What’s in a Name?

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I I know you're distraught cause
your boy.

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What are you boys?
You got a.

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You got you got a gang that is
composed of Greg Cockle, Tom

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Brady and Bill Belichick.
And I want to talk about Bill

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Belichick.
One of your one of your go to

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guys are always.
Talking, Let me just say this.

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We have an ornament of Tom
Brady.

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We do not have an ornament of
Bill Belichick.

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He's still your boy because you
were telling before, before we

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turn on the podcast, you were
saying I endorse every decision

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he has ever made.
I really like I'm really into

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his dating life and.
Approve of it.

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I'm just kidding, don't want to
snow slander, no libel against

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Michael, but just want to bring
up I honestly I did.

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He lose again today I'm
guessing.

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Is this where this has gone?
I, I, I, I was going to look

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this up because I have no idea
this, but I just assumed that

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he, even though he's kind of off
his rocker, I just assumed.

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Hey.
They're they're actually

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winning.
They're playing Charlotte.

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So that would be like a travesty
if they lost to Charlotte.

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But I assumed he would do well
in college football just because

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there is a difference between
NFL and college football.

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I always felt like college
football was more recruiting and

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less XS and OS versus NFL.
I mean, I know it is XS and OS

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but that's so.
But maybe that changed with NIL

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and stuff where I felt like if
you were a great recruiter that

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can hide a lot of get strategy
and gameplay.

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Whereas in the NFL, all these
coaches are like, they don't

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sleep.
Like, it's like different, you

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know what I mean?
And Bill Metrick's known for his

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work ethic, but I guess his
judgments might not be there

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like it used to.
You know what?

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I mean, well, I, I, I think he's
gotten very egotistical and very

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bitter.
Oh yeah, yeah.

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Maybe 'cause I was reading some
stuff.

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I, I guess the, I don't know
what you call it, the fight

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between him and Robert Kraft has
gotten more public and more

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stuff has leaked, 'cause I was
reading some stuff.

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Was it today, today or yesterday
that was saying that during his

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last year with the Patriots,
about halfway through the

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season, he stopped talking to
the quarterback.

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What's that guy right now?
No, no, no.

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Oh.
Mack Jones Mack Jones and did

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not talk to the defensive
coordinator.

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They could.
Not talk to Robert Kraft, just

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like, no, I'm not.
I'm not talking to you.

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So Can you imagine being the
head coach and just your

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defensive coordinator?
That mean I could?

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Just I know it wasn't like this,
but like in pregame speech like,

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hey, everybody not talking to
you, this is not good for you.

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Go play hard.
And you know, like that is like

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pretty.
That is pretty.

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Petty, but he was.
A patriot, you know.

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Also read that he is not
allowing patriot scouts.

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I saw this too.
That's like.

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Practices not allow.
Yeah, no.

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No, Patriots, you did me dirty.
Isn't it?

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Isn't it crazy how things ended
on not so great terms when it

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was like such a such a great,
yeah, it was such a great thing.

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Even like you look back, it's
like man, Kobe and Shaq, like

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we're killing it and it just
like man.

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And at the end, like they
made-up.

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I mean, they made-up at some
point, but it was like such a

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bad thing where everyone hated
each other by the end of it, you

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know what I mean?
Well, I think Tom and like Gronk

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and Edelman and Mandola, all
those people they love and Moss.

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Gronk's honestly dude, that guy
is.

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He's got like 5 more years
before that CTE really starts to

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progress.
I think he may have had CTE

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before CTE before every started
because like he came out of

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college a little bit wild.
He is hilarious and but yeah,

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yeah, seems like most people get
together.

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But man, 'cause it.
I mean, how did they talk bad

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about Belichick?
Or is it not?

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Is it more private?
Like they don't want it, you

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know?
I've not heard them talk about

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it.
Belichick, they've talked,

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they've talked about like, you
know, him teaching them how to

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do like press conferences and
stuff and getting in trouble if

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they say something, but nothing
like like this that's coming

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out.
But that was they played for

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Belichick during the golden
years, except for, you know,

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that last year between Tom and
until, you could tell, like if

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you were watching those games,
they were not In Sync.

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And it would be like 3 and out,
three and out, three and out.

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And we would never go for it on
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We would never do anything other
than like throw it to the flats.

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We would didn't have a running
back, but we would like run it

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on 1st down, every down and that
guy would get stuffed and we'd

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have two passing plays and we'd
punt.

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And I was like what has
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Like we like someone took out
the gas like it, it was bad.

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It's it's insane man football so
crazy.

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I was looking about Patriots,
got the Raiders.

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Raiders tomorrow, so.
See, we'll see what happens.

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Football season.
D1 football.

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Oh yeah, have the hogs.
So it's a War Memorial sell out

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today.
Nice.

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We're in the fourth quarter
right now it's close 14 to 49.

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You just just a few scores away.
But I, I was telling you before

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we started, like there was a
time when 20/12/2013, right

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after that coach got fired
because he was with that gal on

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the motorcycle and the Hogs were
just like crumbling.

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And at the same time the Indians
Red Wolves were like peeking.

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And I was like, man, if we
played the Hog right now, I bet

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we could win.
But that time has since passed.

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Like today I, I told you I was
like, I want to be brooding for

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the Red Wolves.
But realistically, it's hard to

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go against the SEC powerhouse.
You know anyone in the SEC,

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they're probably going to beat
someone in the Sunbelt

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Conference.
This is just how it's going to

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be.
Yep, I that's just, that's

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probably what's going to happen.
That's the, you know how, how it

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goes.
Speaking of Randy Moss, that's

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he, he went to my parents alma
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Oh yeah.
Yep, Marshall University.

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They've not been super good, but
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When Randy Moss is on your team,
you're automatically that.

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Was like that was.
Like.

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One of the few times Marshall as
of in the We are Marshall, Yeah,

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yeah.
Yeah, Yeah, They had a good,

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there was a guy, there was one
year that no one cares about

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this, but Randy, Randy Moss at
receiver, Chad Pennington at

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quarterback.
He was like a decent

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quarterback, NFL, you know,
between us.

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So they were, you know,
lightening up and I don't know

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what conference Marshall was in
back in those days.

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I think they were in the Mac
conference.

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Big power, powerhouse.
So there you go.

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Just want to bring up Belichick
for you.

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Yeah, yeah, that is good.
I did allude to my alma mater

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and like maybe a few years after
I went, yeah, we had to change

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her name from Yeah, Indians to
the Red Wolves.

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You might ask what is in a name?
What is in a name?

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What a Segway.
That's why we're here today.

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This is are Abraham did we say
cattywampus so.

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Our cattywampus adjacent.
So last podcast we did on the

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Abraham series was on the table
of nature.

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So it was like Abraham adjacent.
Not really.

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This is maybe even more of a
stretch.

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Abraham had his name changed.
Yeah.

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So it's like, hey, what's what's
in the name?

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Let's talk about Abraham,
Arkansas State football team A.

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Lot in common, a lot in common.
Let's talk about that.

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Let's go ahead and take it to
the next level.

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From the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
You don't have pets, do you,

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Michael?
No, you have children.

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I do have not the same.
I'm not trying to draw the same,

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but you name like people named
pets, people named children.

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And there's different ways to go
about it.

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You know, some people do the I'm
going to think really hard about

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this name and some people, you
know, just just off the cover.

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This sounds good, you know, and
I think you know, some names

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just sound like a this is like a
dog name or you know, you hear

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something, you know, but.
Poseidon.

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There you Poseidon.
Yeah.

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Chloe has some friend whose dog
is named Poseidon.

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Oh, OK.
Yeah, yeah.

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There you go.
Great.

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Have you you guys have not had
pets?

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We have not had pets, no.
Yeah, our last pet we did not

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name.
If we start having pets, you'll

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know we have won and and we've
moved into a house that allows

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for pets, you'll know we have
won the lottery.

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That that'll, that'll be one of
the first signs.

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Yeah, that'll be the signs.
Well.

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Yeah, our last dog we had, her
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We did not name her.
We like adopted her from

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whatever and like someone
already had names so we didn't

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change the name.
Wisdom so.

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So there we go.
Yeah, yeah, there we go.

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But did not.
Did you feel Sophie?

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Did you love her?
No, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of

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course.
Of course.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But we look, you know, I, I

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think we look in scripture you
read someones name almost always

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has a meeting or maybe any
meetings derived by how their

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life lived out or whatever.
A little bit.

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We don't see that quite like.
Oh no.

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Your name Zach.
Uh.

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Yeah, Zach has a good meaning.
Though what's that mean?

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It means God remembers OK.
So Caleb Hawk, would you say

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he's like a faithful guy, like
True because.

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That lives up to his name.
Yeah, that's great.

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Leanne's name.
I always make fun of Leanne just

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for normal stuff.
But I'm always like we have, we

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have like someone or someone in
her church, like stitch

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something of what our names
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It's in A room and my name is
like Yahweh remembers and her

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her name means like peaceful
dweller still good.

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It's like peaceful, but I'm
like, come on, Yahweh remembers.

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That's like, so much better than
peaceful.

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Dweller yeah, yeah.
But Michael is who is there like

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Yahweh, Yeah.
Or who's there?

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Like God, I, I.
I like, I like these names cause

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in scripture when someone is
named, someone has a name, it's

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it's definitely not casual.
There's profound theological

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significance really hits at
someone's identity in a lot of

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ways, and even outside of what
names mean, you go back into the

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ancients or you look at biblical
texts and everyone's always like

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associated with their family.
It's always like Joshua's son of

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Nun.
Like that's so important.

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Like people are known.
You're the sons of Zebedee.

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Like you just don't.
That's not how we talk today,

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you know.
So anyway, that would be

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interesting.
What was that, son of hell?

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So, yeah, yeah, it's not, it's
like not what you would

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typically here, but what we're
going to trace this theme of

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naming in the Bible starting all
the way back at Adam and going

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all the way throughout the New
Testament and see, see what we

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find because it is, it is
interesting.

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So if we start started Adam,
well, do we know what Adam

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means?
Man, Man, yeah.

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It's like, you know, good, good,
good name there just baked into

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it.
And that's like every time you

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read the word man, it is really
Adam's name again.

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Literally, yeah.
In the Old Testament.

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So it's like real, just so
closely connected Adam in

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Genesis 2, he names the animals.
And that's not just, he wasn't

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like it.
That wasn't insignificant,

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right?
And I think there I, I read this

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and I think there may be also
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And that happens right before he
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That's right.
You know what?

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You need a helpmate.
All right, Adam, let's go.

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Name all the animals.
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But then at the end of that, he
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was not found.
So I think it was, in a way, God

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saying none of these are for
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You're not going to find your
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And you might think like, why
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are?
You know, you'd find

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companionship in a horse, but
maybe there's some close calls,

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like maybe there's some primates
that you'd be like he was God

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was like, Nope, Nope, Nope.
I know that's a little weird but

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trying to just make sense of
what the words that are doing

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the test.
Where the world is today,

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probably not that weird.
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Those themes go together 'cause
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Also, when you name something,
you're showing some sort of

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authority over that.
You get named by someone.

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I'm a parent, name's a child.
There's like this authority

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there.
Coach gives you a nickname.

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There you go.
Hey.

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Yeah, we should have talked.
We can talk about nicknames.

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You have any good nicknames?
My my standard was Big Bob.

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Yeah, I wonder why.
Yeah, yeah, applesauce was one.

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Yeah, Scott, I can see that's
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That's great.
Wasn't the Fox.

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Wasn't Trout.
Wasn't.

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Yeah.
How about you?

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I mean, I don't think I had any
great nicknames.

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Did they call you like the white
mambo or anything like that?

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No that.
Was really cool.

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That would have been cool.
I don't think I don't think I

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had any crate crate names.
But anyway, Adam naming probably

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communicated some sort of that
dominion stewardship that that

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kind of thing start.
We see that kind of all all the

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way at the beginning when we
see, you know, parents naming

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children.
It has that concept of

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authority, responsibility.
But sometimes parents name

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children and God goes not so
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Yeah, I'm actually going to name
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or he preemptively says you are

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going to name him this.
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That's great because maybe they
were, I don't know, thinking of

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certain things.
So Isaac is giving me and we

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know what the name Isaac.
Means laughter.

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Laughter John the Baptist.
His name will be John.

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He's like, there's no one in
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There's no one in your family
name John.

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And then he like writes it on
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And then, and then he says his
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It's great you know what John
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Isn't it?
I was going to say it's a

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derivative of Joshua, but it's
not.

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Is.
It it's not I think it is like

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the one Jesus loved, or so I
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It like gets.
Its name from like the one that

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Jesus loved.
And the reason why I think that

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is because if you look up the
name of Jack, they're like, oh,

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it's a derivative from John,
meaning the one loved by Jesus

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or one loved by God or something
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And you look up what does
Jackson mean?

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Oh, it's a derivative of Jack.
What's the derivative of John

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and my kids Jackson.
So I think, I think they're

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connected in that way.
So when John is saying he's the

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one that Jesus loved, is he
telling us in a way his name?

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You see, I, I, I can't tell if
he's saying that or if it's

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like, because that was written,
it's taken on that meaning.

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I, you know what I mean?
I don't, you know, the chicken

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or the egg, you know, but that
that's it.

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And then Jesus, you know, she'll
come and say Jesus preach, I'll

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save his people from their sins.
And that is the.

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Jesus and Joshua are basically
derivatives of the same name.

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Yeah, exactly right.
And so when God names someone,

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he, it really does get into
their identity, their destiny.

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Like what?
What's going to happen is really

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baked baked into their.
Also, Speaking of names, when

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God reveals his name to Moses,
there's a lot into that as.

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Well, yeah, and he reveals his
name in more than one way.

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Like so he gives different names
to different people to to to

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reveal different aspects of who
he is.

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And so we we talk Yahweh a lot
where Jehovah I am who I am and

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I love how like you read when
you read this, it's like all

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cats, like all cats.
It's really just hitting you in

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the face and speaks to so
everything about God.

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Just be I I love the tenses and
you know, it's like just all the

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time, always eternally.
And God is not named by others.

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He reveals his own name.
We do see we talked about this

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recently.
That's really the only person to

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ever quote UN quote name God.
It really wasn't naming God was.

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The Mistress.
Yeah, yeah.

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Hagar.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Which is like the one place we
kept like we, I think we talked

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about that.
I think I have a spot in here.

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The God.
Yeah, that's good.

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And he, so she was really
recognizing of reality versus

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like naming God.
But we see that in contrast to

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Pagan gods are typically named
by humans, whereas Israel's God

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named himself where God, you
know, we don't get to define

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God.
He divides himself and he's the

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one who actually defines us.
So a little tangent of this,

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humans do have this response
where they will I give titles to

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God based on their interaction.
We've we've kind of talked a

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little about these from Abraham,
but Genesis 22, Isaac may

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sacrifice.
It's Jehovah Jireh, Yahweh Yaira

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God will provide Moses names and
altar Yahweh Nisi.

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I don't know what what's nisi
mean?

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I don't know what that I'll look
it up.

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Let's look it up.
Gideon build, Yahweh, Shalom

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peace.
And then Hagar is unique when

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she calls God Elroy, the God who
sees me.

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My Lord is my banner.
My Lord is my banner.

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OK, Nice.
Anyway, looking at Hagar, she's

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kind of this marginalized
servant.

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It's it's this, it's really a
testimony of sorts versus, you

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know, you can see from the
context there that she's like,

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you know, not in a great spot
with all this authority.

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Or that.
And it wasn't like she was

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misnaming or mischaracterizing
him 'cause he does see he's all

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knowing he and, but, and I think
he she meant that he saw her in

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an experiential way.
Like I see you.

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I see your plight.
I'm gonna rescue you.

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You from this.
Let's talk.

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I think this is interesting too.
The name of Jesus and the powers

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of darkness.
It's always like these demons

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are always like I know your name
Jesus, like that's like one of

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their go TS like I know your.
Name I know who you are.

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I know you are, which always was
like that.

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That's, you know, a little bit
interesting looking at doing a

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little bit of research.
You know, in the Old Testament,

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when a king conquered a city or
captured A servants, he often

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renamed them.
We see that a little bit with

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like Shadrach, Meshach and
Abednego and this kind of thing

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or Pharaoh giving Joseph this,
you know, other name I.

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Know we kind of already talked
about this, but what about

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nabal?
And Oh yeah, because nabal

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basically means. 40 or 4.
And then Jabez as like something

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like Son of My Heartache or
something like that, It's, yeah,

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it's a bad meeting too.
So.

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So there's some bad, bad
meetings in there.

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Yeah, yeah, you can get some bad
beats.

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Like that's what I always wonder
too.

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Like this neighbor meaningful
because of that account, because

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it's like what parent be like,
yeah, this idiot, you know,

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like, yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is, that

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is strange.
So anyway, you would get

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renamed.
So in a sense to be renamed was

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someone kind of claiming
ownership on you might be a way

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might be a reason why, you know,
demons are trying to they're

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trying to exercise some sort of
authority like.

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Daniel Hananiah as Ryan
Michelle, Yeah Nice are named

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Beltashazzar, Shadrach, Meshach
and Abednego all renamed for

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those Chaldean gods.
Perfect example.

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Yeah, that's that's exactly
right.

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In the ancient world, maybe
knowing a name potentially could

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mean control or leverage.
So the demons trying to assert

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some sort of dominance by
speaking Jesus name, but Jesus

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every time kind of shows, Hey,
my authority is actually greater

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than your authority.
Let's see, I have a lot of notes

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on this.
So it's like, oh, this is

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interesting, but we can skip
through a lot of that that

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that's essentially the the Cliff
Notes where demons cry out.

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You're the son of God, Jesus,
when he rebukes them, he

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actually doesn't even allow them
to speak anymore sometimes.

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Also an interesting account.
We don't have to talk about it

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now, but the sun's a skiva.
Like that's like such a great,

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that's so crazy.
Oh man, we know Jesus, we know

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Paul, we know both of those
people.

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We don't know you like and and
they turn and like they leave

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naked, right?
They're beaten up and their

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clothes are taken off of them.
It's like a.

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Weird.
We did, we did like Bible

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quizzing.
I might have said the story

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already.
And one time it was it for our

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school.
It's like memorize a book of the

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Bible or a few books and you get
asked questions.

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So very specific.
It's all based on the KJV.

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Obviously when I grew up and it
was one time it was Acts and the

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way we did it would be like, hey
Zach, you've got Acts 12 through

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17.
Like we would break it up.

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Consider not everyone's
memorizing, but we'd have

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responsibilities and we always
knew when there is a question

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about people feeling wounded and
naked and it's like everyone,

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like our school was not good
with there's other schools that

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would beat us.
Like they would know, like every

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kid would know all because they
were geniuses.

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We were like we kind of we
studied, but not as much and

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like we would stand up get some.
But there was one, one question,

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like all five of us stood up and
we were like, beat the other kid

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do it.
And it was like hilarious

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because it was like the answer
was wounded and naked, but it's

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like we were ready for it.
So let let's talk a little bit

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about thinking of Jesus.
Renaming people and I don't.

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I don't think I had good Old
Testaments examples, but if we

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want to make this Abraham
adjacent, we should.

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Abraham to.
Abraham, Abraham to.

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Abraham Sarai to Sarah that's.
Good.

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And 'cause I was, I'm going to
bring this into my adoption

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class.
I was looking this up in Romans

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417.
We know Romans 4 is talking all

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about justification by faith
alone and using Abraham as an

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example.
I think this ties in really

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nicely. 417 says, as it is
written, I have made you the

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father of many nations in the
presence of the God in whom he

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believed.
And then it says this, God gives

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life to the dead and calls into
existence the things that do not

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exist.
So he renames Abraham.

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Abraham's not a father in many
nations, but he makes him a

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father.
Like it's like what God does

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when he renames someone.
I like that concept.

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We're talking about that a lot
with adoption and having a new

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name and that kind of thing.
But it's like he was not this.

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And now Abraham and Sarah are
these things.

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Yeah, and then his grandson
Jacob.

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Great, great one deceiver.
Yeah, yeah.

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Deceiver of Israel, that's like
such a twist or such a about

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face from deceiver to Israel,
which I think means to struggle

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with or to prevail or to grapple
with and win kind of thing.

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I'm trying to think of other.
And then there's I know there's

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a ton of Old Testament names
like what they mean by.

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I'm trying to.
Think of any renames.

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I can't think of any other
renames.

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Yeah, the Old Testament.
I'm blanket, but in the New

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00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:01,640
Testament Jesus renaming,
probably the most pivotal one

450
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,880
ever remembers is Peter.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

451
00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:09,880
Simon to Peter, he gives them.
He gives him the name Cephas

452
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,040
Aramaic or Peter in Greek
meaning rock.

453
00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:15,280
I wish I would know what Simon
meant.

454
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,280
Yeah, it sounds like a joke that
I would make, you know, like,

455
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,000
oh, your name is Sand.
You know what?

456
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,440
I'm going to call you Rock, You
know?

457
00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:25,080
Yeah, yeah.
That's good.

458
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,400
That's good.
So I think me and me and Jesus

459
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,720
have similar humor.
There you go.

460
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:33,840
Get get some of that that humor
I have here.

461
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,840
James and John, sons of Thunder
nickname given by Jesus, likely

462
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,480
point to their fiery
personalities.

463
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,800
Namely, they want to be like,
hey, got Jesus, you want us to

464
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,360
call down fire from heaven?
We'll do it after this.

465
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,000
And then the classic one.
Remember when when God renamed

466
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:51,960
Saul to Paul?
Right.

467
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,560
It's when he was bad.
He was Saul.

468
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,720
Yeah.
And then when he was good, he

469
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:56,800
was.
Paul, I'll be honest.

470
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,120
I mean, I know there's King Saul
didn't have the best reputation,

471
00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:02,000
but probably I heard a lot of
names.

472
00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:04,120
No one's naming their kids Saul.
You know what I mean?

473
00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:08,200
Yeah.
Yeah, so if you didn't catch the

474
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,560
tone of the voice, Saul doesn't
actually start going by Paul

475
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,800
until he and Barnabas are sent
out from the church at Antioch.

476
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,720
And most people who look into it
assume it's because Paul is a

477
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,320
more of a Greek name.
Saul's more of a Hebrew name.

478
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,960
They sound similar.
And so you're going to go

479
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,920
minister to Greeks, call
yourself Paul.

480
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,720
So that's so he was converted
for quite some time and going by

481
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,160
Saul.
So it wasn't at the conversion,

482
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,920
it was at the, oh, my ministry
has changed.

483
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,800
I'm going to minister you.
I'm going to adopt A new name.

484
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,360
That's good all.
Right, we're going to have Jason

485
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,400
go in.
Oh yeah, That's not his real

486
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,640
first name, right?
Right.

487
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,400
Right, right.
Yeah, yeah, that, that's a good

488
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,360
point where, yeah, if you were
going on a mission trip, maybe

489
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:56,840
you'd be on the names Miguel or
something.

490
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,320
Yeah, yeah.
And I don't even know what his

491
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,680
real name is, but that's his
Americanized name.

492
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,040
But we always had, I remember
the very first time he, he he

493
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,080
and his wife were here, we
always had Jason and Paul I And

494
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,080
she's like, I have, like I have
an Americanized name too.

495
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,840
It's Valencia.
So you could call me Valencia.

496
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,320
And it was by that time, Paul, I
had already stopped you.

497
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,560
Can't.
You can't change.

498
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:19,400
Yeah.
And so went to a small Christian

499
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:24,320
School, We had like, not like 35
people in a class, Spanish

500
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,840
class.
There was 2 Zacks.

501
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,120
And so one Zack was like
Zacharias or whatever.

502
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,960
I got Luis, it was even closer.
I was just picking a different

503
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,280
name.
Yeah, for my Spanish name.

504
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,480
So that was what I always
referred to.

505
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,920
But that's good 'cause people
don't know about the Saul Paul.

506
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,360
Yeah, they just assume it will
happen at conversion.

507
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,720
We read about, you know, this
concept of names in the New

508
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,760
Testament.
Philippians 2 talks about Jesus

509
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:53,040
having the name of every other
name that his name brings, this

510
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,400
divine authority.
Believers were to act in his

511
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,160
name.
It's not this superstitious,

512
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,480
mystical thing, but there's
power in in the name of Jesus.

513
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,440
Not this formula, but
declaration of his authority.

514
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,520
Then we get, we probably should
read this passage.

515
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,320
Yeah, go for it.
Yeah, I was just going to say if

516
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,240
I pray, I still addend it right.
Yeah, yeah, in Jesus name.

517
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,560
It's just habit, but there's no
magic in those words.

518
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,480
Your prayer didn't count if you
didn't say Jesus name.

519
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:19,840
Yeah, yeah, it didn't even
count.

520
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,880
And that's not even really what
it means, but it's, and

521
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,600
sometimes I will consciously not
in my prayer like that, but

522
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,880
it's, it's just how I grew up.
So it's it's, it's there.

523
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,480
But so you're going to turn to
Revelation.

524
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,720
Yeah, this this great passage
that talks about some names of

525
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,240
Jesus that are explicit and some
names of Jesus that no one, no

526
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,480
one knows, John writes.
And he says, I saw heaven open

527
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,120
and behold a White Horse.
The one sitting on it is called

528
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,720
faithful and true.
And in righteousness he judges

529
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,440
and makes war.
His eyes are like a putting fire

530
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,640
on his header when he died.
He has a he has a name written

531
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,040
that no one knows but himself.
And so that that's interesting

532
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,920
too, that maybe going back to
some of this, like we can't

533
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,120
comprehend or understand, like
it's outside of human faculties.

534
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:04,680
That's what it's trying to get.
It's not like it's like, oh, you

535
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,080
just can't pronounce this.
It's like speaking to the

536
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,640
character of Jesus.
He's inexhaustible,

537
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:14,040
uncontainable, never subject to
anything in humanity.

538
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,080
And then when we are adopted, we
are children of God.

539
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:25,080
We are given a new name, we're
in God's family and all these

540
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,840
things come along with that,
that I'm preparing for this

541
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,440
adoption Sunday school down the
road.

542
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,160
So I was like, oh, this would be
a good podcast.

543
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,040
Just.
Naming, you know, and we've

544
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,000
talked about you and Leanne
doing the podcast, but I think

545
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,920
what we decided on is maybe I
just interviewed the two of you.

546
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,400
That would be good.
And that way you don't really

547
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,640
have to prepare a lot unless
unless Leanne wants the

548
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,080
questions ahead of time.
She might want want that.

549
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,760
But so maybe as part of this
class, we'll do it.

550
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:49,400
That would be.
Good.

551
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,640
I like it.
I love it.

552
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,680
Naming, we went all over the
place.

553
00:26:54,680 --> 00:27:00,360
Anything else that we did not
hit on the naming fronts?

554
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,760
I'm trying to think if there's
anyone we're just missing that

555
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:11,440
got renamed, but I can't.
I can't think think of it.

556
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,240
I'm sure there are.
Plenty.

557
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,080
But, you know, we can't, we
can't, we can't get it right all

558
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,480
of the time.
But names more, more meaningful

559
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,560
than in our culture where people
just name stuff.

560
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,920
Yeah, because, you know, some
people got some weird.

561
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,040
Names.
Oh yeah, yeah.

562
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,480
Today, where people just.
Oh, today.

563
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,440
Yeah.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

564
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,520
Like.
People just name people,

565
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:37,360
whatever.
Yeah, Jolangelo Lamangelo.

566
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,600
And if you look at it, it looks
like lemon, lemon jello.

567
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,120
That's pretty funny.
Yeah.

568
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:45,680
There were these.
Yeah.

569
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,040
There's a lot.
Yeah.

570
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,600
So.
Well, that people.

571
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,440
Yeah.
Yeah.

572
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,400
For real.
It's like, what are we?

573
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,720
What are we doing here?
You would think people would

574
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,360
take, like, time and attention
with names.

575
00:27:56,360 --> 00:28:00,920
But I guess lives are busy, you
know, So who who am I to, you

576
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,880
know, judge on that?
But that, that's all I got as

577
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,000
well.
That's our take.

578
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:08,840
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579
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,120
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