Dec. 8, 2025
What’s in a Name? The Power of Naming and the Name Above All Names
Episode 2.63
This episode explores the biblical theme of naming—from Adam in Genesis to Jesus in Revelation—and shows how naming reveals authority, identity, mission, and destiny. Michael and Zach trace how Scripture uses naming to communicate dominion (Adam naming the animals), responsibility (parents naming their children), divine revelation (God naming Himself in Exodus 3), and testimony (Hagar calling God El Roi). The episode highlights how Jesus wields unmatched authority over the spiritual realm, silencing demons who attempt to name Him, and how He renames His followers—Peter the Rock, the Sons of Thunder—to define their calling.
The hosts show how naming attempts in the ancient world were often tied to power, control, or manipulation, yet Jesus resists every attempt to be defined by others. From Philippians 2’s “name above every name” to Revelation’s mysterious “name no one knows but Himself,” the Bible presents Christ as both revealed and inexhaustible.
The episode concludes by connecting naming to adoption: God places His own name on His children, granting belonging, identity, and security. The God who cannot be claimed or controlled chooses to claim us—writing His name on His people and inviting them into His family forever.
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Boom, I noticed you reached for
a certain drink in the fridge
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there, Mike.
Yes, thank you, Greg and Verna,
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right.
Yeah, you're good.
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You're.
Good I I told I I don't get
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drinks here often.
That's right, yeah.
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Occasionally I do.
I was like I told Zach, I need
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to like spot y'all, A5 or A10.
He said no, no, no.
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My parents have it covered.
Do not worry about it.
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So I was like, all right, well,
I appreciate that.
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Now it's documented, yeah.
So Diet Coke.
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Diet Coke?
Yeah.
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What is this?
I.
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Oh man.
I.
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Jill too, or just you?
Wow.
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Yeah.
Jill, too.
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So I was I was I never if you
could have told me six months
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ago, Michael, you wouldn't start
enjoying.
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Yeah, I enjoy diet Cokes.
What?
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I really like diet Doctor
Pepper.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.
And I would have been like, if
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you told me that three months
ago, I'd have been like, not a
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chance.
Wow, just three months ago.
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Yeah, but I'm over the last six
months we've, you know, tried to
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drop, you know, yeah, not that
we were doing a lot of sugary
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drinks anyways, but you know, we
started getting, we'd have
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bubblies on hand, you know, the
slightly flavored, but just
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basically soda water.
And I don't know what it was
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'cause I wouldn't even normally
pick one of these up, but maybe
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we went out to eat.
Maybe it was a Sunday dinner and
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they didn't have like water or
tea or something.
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I was like, I guess I just got
to get something that's diet,
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and I got a diet and I was like,
wow, this doesn't taste bad at
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all.
Man, no.
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Going back now.
Now he's addicted.
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No, I'm just kidding.
I'm sure you're not an addict,
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but it's, you know, that's what
all Diet Coke people, that's
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where they start, you know,
started somewhere.
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Yeah.
I mean, I haven't had Diet Coke
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in a long time.
In my mind, it's just like, I
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don't know.
But you know, I guess I should
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try it.
Don't knock it till I try it
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again.
Yeah, maybe should try it again.
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Diet, Doctor Pepper.
It.
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It's so good to me.
I don't, man.
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Yeah, it's crazy to me.
And my kids are like, Dad,
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you've always told us that
that's not healthy for you.
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I'm like, hey, starting to drink
them when you're almost in your
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50s is.
Probably.
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It's like, how much cumulative
damage can you do you?
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Know it's only a probably if you
start yeah, when you're like 15
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and it's like you're just like
that's great.
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It's like, yeah, my grandfather
started smoking was like a
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teenager.
That's like that's like what it
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is in our our age.
It's like all started those
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sugary drinks when I was just a
teenager, man Diet Coke.
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Wow, never thought and now you
are.
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Yeah, yeah.
In fact, I've got, but I was
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getting a sorry, my work has
like a little mark that you can
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go and it's like self-serve.
You can just buy scan and I was
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getting like, have you ever seen
like the it's like the really
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hard crackers, slice of cheese
and meat.
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It's like so speedy, like a
little low carb, high protein
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lunch.
So they have those there.
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I sometimes get those.
Sometimes they get like a little
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burrito, but I almost always get
a diet doctor pepper there.
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I was like, I'm spending money
here.
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So we did a Sam's order and I
got like this huge case of of
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diet Doctor Pepper and it came
in and my kids are just like
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what?
Like where?
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What is going on here?
That's great.
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Totally out of left field.
And hey, has Chloe tried the the
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Diet Coke and she you know.
I don't know that she is into
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it, but Karis, yeah, she's she's
come over to the dark.
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Side.
Nice.
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That's what we call it, the dark
side.
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Hey, as long as it's Coke man,
just stay with these Pepsi Pepsi
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things.
What is Doctor Pepper?
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Is Coke or Pepsi?
It's its own thing.
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So you can.
So Doctor Pepper is independent.
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Yeah, I see it, but.
They don't have bottling.
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So you will see you can get a
bottle of Doctor Pepper, two
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different bottles and one of
them will look like the Coke
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bottle because in that region it
was bottled by the Coke company
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there.
And then another region, they
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have a deal with Pepsi and they
bottle it.
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So you can find Doctor Piper in
a Coke, you know, cause Coke has
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a style, a look of their plastic
shape for the bottles that's
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different than Pepsi.
So you can get them separate.
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So yeah, it's, it's, it's its
own thing.
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A.
What goes into naming and that
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kind of thing?
Yeah, branding.
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Branding.
Yeah, and and name?
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What?
What's in a name?
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What's in a name?
I feel like we've talked a lot
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about names, but for good
reason.
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A lot of names in the Bible.
We know adoption, you get a new
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name.
We're coming to Christmas.
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And maybe I, I think every
Christmas, people you know, you
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think you read about Jesus, what
his name means, maybe Emmanuel.
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How do you spell Emmanuel?
That's the other thing.
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Yeah, I I think I prefer with
the EE.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When I see a church and it's
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like I, it's like Emmanuel.
I'm like, oh man.
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What are we doing?
There's a Catholic Church in
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Goose Creek that's an an
Emmanuel, right?
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I think I.
Yeah, with an I, yeah, that's.
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Why 'cause they're Catholic.
I'm just kidding.
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I'm just kidding that they were.
That just make.
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I'm making things up, but want
to talk about a name, Maybe
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even.
Maybe you thought about this.
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Maybe you haven't.
There's some circles where it
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seems like people perseverate on
this.
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Yeah, some.
People separate.
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That's a big word.
I must.
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Find that for us.
Really just constantly think
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about this, like can't take
their mind off of this Jesus or
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should it be Joshua or Yeshua?
Like, you know what, what should
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we say?
Why?
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Why do we say Jesus?
Why don't we say Joshua?
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Some people do say Yeshua over
and over again.
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They're like this is.
The only way or the I think the
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Greek is yesus.
Yesus or yesus exactly if you're
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going.
So we're going to talk about
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that.
And you know, I thought this is
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Christmas and Jasons.
Jesus.
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Or Jesus, there you go, a lot of
names.
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Hope you are ready.
But let's go ahead, take it to
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the next level.
Let's fire up that twangy music.
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From the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.
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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next
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level.
Jesus and Joshua, why this is a
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debate.
Is So what I hear you saying?
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Yeah.
Is that I need to start getting
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a lot more deference to my
nephew, whose name Joshua that.
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That's that's right, that's
right, 'cause the name Jesus is
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really the same name as as
Joshua.
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If you're like looking back at
origin and this kind of thing in
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Hebrew, Jesus name is Yeshua or
there's a longer from also
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Yahoshua, the same name that you
see Joshua son of Nun in the Old
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Testament.
But when the Old Testament was
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translated into Greek, what we
know as a Septuagint, the
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translators took the Hebrew
Yehey ashiwa.
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And just like you just said, the
Greek version yesus, yesus,
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yesus.
So in the New Testament written
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in Greek, Jesus is called yesus,
yesus.
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I keep like blending these
together.
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So we have the Hebrew Yeshua,
Yahshua, Greek Yesus, English
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Joshua and Jesus.
We have like 2 English
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equivalents for the same Hebrew
and Greek name.
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Maybe people have not thought
about this before.
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Yeah, I was just listening to a
different podcast.
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Oh yeah, there are, there are
similar ones out there.
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This is the Bear Grease podcast,
and they're doing deer hunting
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stories.
And there's this pastor who said
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that he was, I don't remember
the exact context, but he's
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like, yeah, Jesus was talking to
me.
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A lot of people call him Jesus.
He's goes to my church.
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It's funny, Yeah.
Yeah, it's like a congregate in
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his.
Church, right, Right.
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Yeah.
But yeah.
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So it it would feel weird to me
to name a child Jesus.
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Yeah, yeah, that it would.
It would feel strange.
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Yeah, but Jesus, I, I mean.
It's like.
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Yeah, it's not.
Yeah, it's like.
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It's pardon me, Jesus.
Yeah, it's like, it's like fine.
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It's like fine to hear it all
the time.
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Joshua.
That's fine.
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Joshua.
Fine.
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Yeah.
So wait, why, why do we have two
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different names?
We can look, we can like trace
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the the divergent, like why
doesn't our English New
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Testament call Jesus Joshua?
And spoiler alert, if you, if
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you're the King James Version,
there are places where it says
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Jesus, but it means Joshua, that
the other translations change
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Joshua.
We'll look at those a little bit
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later and we'll see.
We'll, we'll kind.
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Of yeah, let's look at those.
Yeah, we'll, we'll look at
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those.
So here's the historical reason.
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The Old Testament name came
straight into English as Joshua
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comes through Hebrew to English.
The New Testament name Jesus
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came through Greek and Latin.
So we kind of see see that
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progression that I'll let you
read it because I just like
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butcher it every time.
I guess Latin is probably really
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close to that.
Jesus to then Jesus.
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And and so essentially entered
the English language through
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different pathways.
This is like the big picture
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overview English there.
There's really 2 forms of the
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same name.
And by the time we get our
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English Bibles, Jesus was
already kind of the established
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Christian name for Christ and
translations didn't want to
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confuse people.
Like, wouldn't that be super
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confusing if, like, we were like
direct translation, it was all
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Joshua, like, whoa.
Yeah, that would be crazy.
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Do you even think of praying the
name of Joshua?
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It's.
Weird.
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Yeah, You're like, what is
going?
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Oh.
That is.
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Crazy or or the vice versa.
After the death of Moses, the
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Lord said to Jesus, son of nine,
that would be weird to, you
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know, go the other way, Jesus.
Took the Battle of Jericho.
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Jericho Yeah, you'd be.
Like this doesn't make sense.
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So translators, you know, stick
with Joshua for Old Testament,
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Jesus for New Testament, even
though both in the Greek, same
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Greek word, Hebrew to Greek.
I'm contextualizing all this, so
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I'm like, you know, Joshua loves
me this.
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I know.
Yeah, you're like whole.
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Yeah.
It was just even if you know,
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that's it just.
It just is like hard.
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It's like so ingrained and so
here we.
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Go.
I'll stop.
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I'll stop Rabbit trailing this.
Hebrews for a Do you want to
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look this up in the KJV?
Oh yeah, sure.
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So this is this is where we get
it.
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And so if you go way old English
translations like 1611 KJV
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before the KDV, we have the
Witcliffe Bible, the Geneva
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Bible, literally every Bible
that was that old.
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We're going to look at Hebrews 4
eights and we'll read what what
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you have in the KGB and then
maybe compare it with the CSP.
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I can compare it with the ESP.
So go for it for if.
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Jesus had given them rest, then
would he not afterward have
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spoken of another day?
And if you read the context
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around it and we're talking
about, you know, promised land,
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this kind of thing in the ESB,
it says if Joshua had given them
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rest, but that that's why the
King James says Jesus because
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they're, you know, trying to or,
you know, says Jesus says
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Joshua.
They're trying to make that
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translation.
I'm guessing your CSB also says.
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My NASB.
Sorry, that's what I mean.
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Sorry NASB, I just think you're
the CSB guy too, you know?
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Yeah, I was for a while.
And then I had to get back to
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NSB because I'd done so much
memorization in ASB.
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It was.
It's difficult to get back, but
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yeah, let me look at.
But I'm sure I'm sure it's the
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same as the ESP but just to
check in.
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For if Joshua had given them
rest.
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But but the author of Hebrews
maybe is maybe, you know, you're
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trying to see this connection
deliberately.
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I don't know.
But I think there's a lot we can
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learn from this type, shadow
type, you know what I mean?
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Where Joshua has a lesser rest,
kind of points to the greater
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rest we have in Jesus.
So Old Testament, New Testament
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in the Greek, same exact word,
same spelling, same
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pronunciation.
We just translated a little bit
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differently because of what's
baked into our culture.
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Here's a question.
Why did the Septuagint use
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Yesus?
I always won those together for
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Yeshua.
Why did it go this way?
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It wasn't really random, but
this might be maybe a primer on
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what a transliteration is.
Yeah, it's not a translation.
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It's a transliteration.
Right.
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So basically you're just, well,
if you had some word over in
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names often don't have
translations.
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Especially a name.
Yeah.
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You're right.
So if you had the same name,
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like Michael, and there's a
Spanish version of it that's
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just been transliterated into
it.
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So it's like Miguel, it's like
you.
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Try to make it sounds.
Make it sounds.
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Similar, you maybe take some of
the letters and like if it is
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like the same kind of system,
it's pretty close.
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Yeah, if you're in Russia, it's
Mikhail, it's Michel, some
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places so.
So you're going for the sounds?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're.
Going for not necessarily the
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meaning, where if it was like,
you know, any other word, maybe
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not a name, maybe you would do a
whole different word that's
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totally different because you're
trying to capture the meaning of
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it.
But a but a name like you're
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saying is different.
So what they could have done was
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they could have found a word
that means salvation in Greek
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and then given that name to him,
since Joshua in Hebrew, from
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what I understand, means
salvation.
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Yeah, yeah, it it.
Yeah, exactly.
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And so maybe a different way
too.
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You think of the word
Hallelujah.
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It's a transliteration of the
Hebrew, basically.
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Hallelujah.
It's praise Yahweh.
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If we translated it, you might
say praise the Lord, but you
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could say Hallelujah is like the
word, the transliteration word.
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We think of Messiah versus
Christ.
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Messiah is a transliteration of
the Hebrew word for Messiah.
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I can never say these words,
Meshach, Meshach when we say
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Christ, that that's a
translation, that's an anointed
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one.
It's the same word as Messiah.
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It's it's not trying to keep the
sound the same.
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It's getting at the essence, the
meaning, the anointed.
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One, but I think from as it's
written it would be Mashiac,
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right?
Mashiac I think, I think so.
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I always get mixed up.
And so that that's kind of what
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happens with Jesus and Joshua.
But it's across Hebrew, Greek,
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Latin, English.
It's been transliterated so many
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times.
You get Jesus into the direct
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transliteration, straight from
Hebrew to Greek to English.
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You throw in these other, other
language, another one, baptize
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the Greek baptizo.
Baptizo means to immerse, dip,
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wash.
But most English Bibles say
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baptized because they're trying
to capture the sound.
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They don't say to immerse.
Wouldn't that be nice if they
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just say just just so you know,
they don't translate it, they
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transliterate it.
So we see this in other places
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too.
It's not just only with names or
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these certain things.
Does this matter?
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Why does it matter?
I don't know if it matters.
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Like everything, I don't think
it's like you should base your
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whole theology on this because
some people really are like we
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got.
The wrong name prayers.
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If you're not praying in the
name of Joshua, he doesn't hear
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hear your prayers.
Man, but that, that's the
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difference.
The English name Jesus, in
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essence is a transliteration of
a transliteration versus just a
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transliteration.
I don't know.
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Important to know is that the
Septuagint?
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It came into being about 200
years before Christ.
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So people were reading about
Joshua, but literally the name
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Jesus when they read this A2
agent before Christ was born.
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Now that is pretty cool to think
about.
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You know that Jesus is like what
they were reading and so they
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they might just think Joshua if
they had understanding of the
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Hebrew.
At all.
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So they would have really
connected Joshua in the Old
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Testament more than what we do
to the Joshua in the New
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Testament.
And I think that's informative.
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Like they they would have
naturally seen that more because
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like, I think unless you're told
that you probably don't pick up
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on that.
Jesus, Joshua.
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It's like close, but it's like
not the same.
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Interesting.
You and I just start a movement
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at CBC.
Yeah, let's do it.
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And I'll be like Joshua, no
other name is given to us under
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heaven by which you must be
saved.
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And people will be like, what
are you talking about?
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Oh sorry, I was just translating
directly from the Greek so you
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guys want the English version,
Sorry.
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Jesus, OK.
So as you, what we've been
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talking about is why did Bible
translations do this?
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Well, it's clarity the English
speaking world knows that Jesus
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as the name of Christ continuity
2000 years of tradition has uses
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Jesus and the meaning is
preserved.
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You know, Matthew 121 explains
the theology.
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He shall save his people from
his sins or salvation
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deliverance these things.
So switching the name in the
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English Bibles would as we've
like hinted that cause a lot of
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confusion even if it is
linguistically plausible and
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maybe food for thoughts.
I took this from an article I
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came across online, you know,
would you buy?
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It'd be interesting to make a
Bible that substituted Jesus
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with Joshua.
And like we were saying, like,
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imagine all these things at the
name of Joshua.
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Every knee should bow every
tongue confess that Joshua
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Christ is Lord.
It would just be mind blowing,
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but it's good to think about the
name that he'll save the people
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from our sins that Yahweh saves
or whatever the Lord is our
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salvation.
These different things for
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Joshua and Jesus because that
that's what we see in the New
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Testament.
We see that in the picture of
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Joshua and we see this
connection, but I think matters
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a lot to think about that.
Joshua leads Israel to the
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promised land.
Jesus leads us into God's final
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resting Kingdom.
Joshua succeeds Moses because
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the law can't save.
Jesus doesn't what the law can
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ever do.
Joshua defeats Israel's enemies.
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Jesus defeats sin, death, and
Satan.
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Joshua gives Israel an earthly
inheritance.
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Jesus gives us our eternal
inheritance and then Hebrews 3
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and 4.
That's the one where the KJV
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mistranslates Joshua's the
shadow.
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I don't see people giving the
KJV any flak for this.
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I've never heard this before.
Like I never was like I never
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picked up on that.
And I grew up in the KJV and I,
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I never, you know, picked up the
oh, that that talking about
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Joshua, not Jesus.
Why is it saying?
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Jesus, you know what I mean?
Yeah, that, that is interesting.
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So anyway, big picture Jesus,
Joshua, I thought it'd be fun.
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We're Christmas time.
You got something to add?
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Here I was just thinking with
all these things, it would be
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nice if there was a program
where you could say make these
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flips.
I want all of the plural U's to
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be y'all.
Yeah, just do this, yeah.
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Porky, but I'd prefer y'all I
want in to be upper room like
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let me let's make that correct.
Let's make Jesus Joshua.
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Let's let's.
We should we should do this make
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like a version of the Bible,
just like couple we base it off
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of 1.
You know, we get permission from
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the Lockman Foundation or
crossway and do an ASB or
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they'll they'll they'll probably
give it to us.
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They'll probably take two
listeners and we and we could
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just be OK, let's use this and
change.
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I mean, that's essential.
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
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Probably never going to have it
because that's essentially what
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do you ever read the LSB?
The legacy standard Bible.
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I'm aware of it, but I've.
Never really read it, but they
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got permission from the lockman.
Foundation.
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This is Macarthurs.
Macarthurs and they basically
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kept everything the same as NSB
95 but they just changed out
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Yahweh for Lord and they change
that like slave for bondservant
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or something like that and they
basically everything else is the
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same for the most part you know?
Yeah, this slave for bondservant
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thing it it's not a, it's not a,
it's not a simple thing because,
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because you make choices,
because there are places where
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it happens real close to each
other and they do one slave and
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they do 1 servant or one bond
servant.
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And it's like it's the same word
underneath there.
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And so, yeah, it's because
slave, I think there was this
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big push to make it be slave,
but then slave in that time was
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not what we have in our context.
Bond Servant's a good word
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because it's like a weird word
to like you like you.
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It like stands out where it
draws your attention, where I
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kind of like that better than
just servant because it's like
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it's a little.
Bit more elevated above a
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servant, but it doesn't come
with all the the baggage that
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that slaves has with it.
You know the.
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So, but I guess if you're
McCarthy, you get the permission
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to like make that to like bar
that text like, you know, and,
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and make your subtle changes and
it's fine.
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Other names.
I thought that would be fun.
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Mary and Joseph, you know, let's
let's go through some of this.
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Mary the Hebrew.
Really.
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It's pretty close to Miriam.
Yeah, I was aware of that one.
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You know, meanings, beloved,
exalted one.
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Also, I don't think it.
Possibly bitter, rebellious,
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probably not, but mostly
beloved.
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And then we got Joseph Yosef.
That sounds like.
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A Polish name to me, Joseph.
I know, yeah, means to add or to
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increase.
God will add Yahweh, may Yahweh
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increase.
Kind of echoes this Genesis
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story of Joseph expanding the
covenant family.
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Anyway, little teasers threw in
a couple of names for fun, but
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big picture Jesus and Joshua,
they say it's the same name.
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It's just just the funnel of how
the history I love like we did
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that series on translations or
that, you know, whatever.
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It's just interesting to know
like that's there is a rhyme or
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reason, but it's not necessarily
a good one.
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Super clean.
Yeah.
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Yeah, exactly.
It's like, OK, we got here for
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this reason that Jesus and
Joshua really shared the same
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name.
They the Greek uses the same
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form for both English.
We keep them separate for
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clarity, not because their names
are actually different.
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The meaning of the name Yahweh
saves heart of the Gospel.
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Joshua foreshadows Jesus and
even you know, Jesus family name
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preaches a little bit of
theology with Mary and Joseph
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and so.
So what, what you know, there's
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this joke that goes on where
people make fun of Christians,
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like they'll knock on door and
like, hey, do you know Jesus
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Christ?
She's your personal Lord and
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Savior, but we need to change
that.
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Joshua, do you know?
Joshua, do you know?
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Joshua yeah, that is like so
wild to even think about.
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And there it's, it's yeah, it's
the same like AI guess maybe
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this maybe come it comes up if
you're taking Greek or something
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and you're like reading a
Septuagint and you're like
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reading, I don't know, we just
know so much, but.
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If you would have asked me
before, you know, looking at
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these notes and stuff and you
said, I always said, Oh yeah, I
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think they are like derivatives.
But I would have thought that
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Jesus name had slightly changed
a little bit.
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And that's what gave us the rise
of Joshua here and Jesus here.
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But it's really just once
translated from the Hebrew,
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transliterated from the Hebrew,
and once transliterated from the
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Greek or Latin, which was then
translated into Hebrew, it's.
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Just like a more.
Yeah, exactly.
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And it's it's where I came
across too.
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It's like, you know, no Jew
would ever be called James.
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It they it's Jacob.
I mean, not Jacob, but you know,
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Hebrew, the transliteration.
And there is another another
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name like that too.
Maybe it was Jude where it
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wouldn't be Jude.
Judas.
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Maybe it's Judas and we just say
it because it's just cleaner to
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separate him.
But it should be Jude, you know
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Judas.
On that long episode of all the
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people on how they died, it was
like, I was like getting
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confused between Judas and Jude.
And I was like, Oh yeah, it's
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the same name because.
The same name.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think I'm trying to think if
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there's any other thing, but
they're like, you know, anyway
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you know names.
So hey, Judas, don't, don't,
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don't be so sad.
That's great.
477
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So maybe we'll have a few other
Christmas episodes.
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We'll just say this one gave you
a couple minutes back.
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We went a few minutes long on
the impossible 1:00.
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We we try to even it out.
You know what?
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I'm saying yeah, yeah.
And so I will just say I'm sorry
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to keep advertising this, but
but, but I will.
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But this one actually does come
out.
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On.
On December the 9th if I'm
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gotten that right.
So Northwoods.
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This is Northwood Baptist if
you're local, and you can buy
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your tickets online if you look
up house for the holidays.
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House for the holidays you're
playing on?
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Friday the 12th, yes, OK.
And that's an evening.
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And then Saturday the 13th,
that's a matinee like I think.
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I think and no, Sunday we're
done.
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No Sunday this year.
I'm not sure why that.
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Seems like an easy 1 to get to.
Maybe it was hard.
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It's just a stress with church.
And it was.
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It was stressful.
For the people in it.
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Yeah, it was stressful for us
because we had to get out and
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like I had to leave early and
stuff.
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So yeah.
Yeah, I get that.
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OK, cool.
Well, awesome.
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Great.
Maybe some more Christmas
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episodes down the Pike.
We'll see.
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No promises.
Maybe interviews, we said.
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There we go.
Yeah.
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Yeah, we need to talk about more
about, you know, Joshua coming
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in the form of men.
Boom, I love it.
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That's our take.
Thanks for listening to Take 2.
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Find us wherever you find
podcasts and on YouTube for
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those who want to watch our
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Boom, I noticed you reached for
a certain drink in the fridge
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there, Mike.
Yes, thank you, Greg and Verna,
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right.
Yeah, you're good.
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You're.
Good I I told I I don't get
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drinks here often.
That's right, yeah.
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Occasionally I do.
I was like I told Zach, I need
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to like spot y'all, A5 or A10.
He said no, no, no.
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My parents have it covered.
Do not worry about it.
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So I was like, all right, well,
I appreciate that.
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Now it's documented, yeah.
So Diet Coke.
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Diet Coke?
Yeah.
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What is this?
I.
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Oh man.
I.
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Jill too, or just you?
Wow.
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Yeah.
Jill, too.
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So I was I was I never if you
could have told me six months
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ago, Michael, you wouldn't start
enjoying.
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Yeah, I enjoy diet Cokes.
What?
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I really like diet Doctor
Pepper.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.
And I would have been like, if
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you told me that three months
ago, I'd have been like, not a
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chance.
Wow, just three months ago.
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Yeah, but I'm over the last six
months we've, you know, tried to
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drop, you know, yeah, not that
we were doing a lot of sugary
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drinks anyways, but you know, we
started getting, we'd have
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bubblies on hand, you know, the
slightly flavored, but just
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basically soda water.
And I don't know what it was
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'cause I wouldn't even normally
pick one of these up, but maybe
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we went out to eat.
Maybe it was a Sunday dinner and
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they didn't have like water or
tea or something.
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I was like, I guess I just got
to get something that's diet,
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and I got a diet and I was like,
wow, this doesn't taste bad at
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all.
Man, no.
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Going back now.
Now he's addicted.
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No, I'm just kidding.
I'm sure you're not an addict,
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but it's, you know, that's what
all Diet Coke people, that's
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where they start, you know,
started somewhere.
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Yeah.
I mean, I haven't had Diet Coke
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in a long time.
In my mind, it's just like, I
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don't know.
But you know, I guess I should
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try it.
Don't knock it till I try it
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again.
Yeah, maybe should try it again.
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Diet, Doctor Pepper.
It.
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It's so good to me.
I don't, man.
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Yeah, it's crazy to me.
And my kids are like, Dad,
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you've always told us that
that's not healthy for you.
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I'm like, hey, starting to drink
them when you're almost in your
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50s is.
Probably.
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It's like, how much cumulative
damage can you do you?
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Know it's only a probably if you
start yeah, when you're like 15
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and it's like you're just like
that's great.
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It's like, yeah, my grandfather
started smoking was like a
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teenager.
That's like that's like what it
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is in our our age.
It's like all started those
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sugary drinks when I was just a
teenager, man Diet Coke.
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Wow, never thought and now you
are.
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Yeah, yeah.
In fact, I've got, but I was
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getting a sorry, my work has
like a little mark that you can
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go and it's like self-serve.
You can just buy scan and I was
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getting like, have you ever seen
like the it's like the really
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hard crackers, slice of cheese
and meat.
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It's like so speedy, like a
little low carb, high protein
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lunch.
So they have those there.
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I sometimes get those.
Sometimes they get like a little
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burrito, but I almost always get
a diet doctor pepper there.
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I was like, I'm spending money
here.
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So we did a Sam's order and I
got like this huge case of of
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diet Doctor Pepper and it came
in and my kids are just like
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what?
Like where?
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What is going on here?
That's great.
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Totally out of left field.
And hey, has Chloe tried the the
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Diet Coke and she you know.
I don't know that she is into
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it, but Karis, yeah, she's she's
come over to the dark.
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Side.
Nice.
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That's what we call it, the dark
side.
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Hey, as long as it's Coke man,
just stay with these Pepsi Pepsi
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things.
What is Doctor Pepper?
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Is Coke or Pepsi?
It's its own thing.
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So you can.
So Doctor Pepper is independent.
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Yeah, I see it, but.
They don't have bottling.
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So you will see you can get a
bottle of Doctor Pepper, two
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different bottles and one of
them will look like the Coke
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bottle because in that region it
was bottled by the Coke company
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there.
And then another region, they
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have a deal with Pepsi and they
bottle it.
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So you can find Doctor Piper in
a Coke, you know, cause Coke has
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a style, a look of their plastic
shape for the bottles that's
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different than Pepsi.
So you can get them separate.
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So yeah, it's, it's, it's its
own thing.
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A.
What goes into naming and that
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kind of thing?
Yeah, branding.
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Branding.
Yeah, and and name?
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What?
What's in a name?
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What's in a name?
I feel like we've talked a lot
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about names, but for good
reason.
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A lot of names in the Bible.
We know adoption, you get a new
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name.
We're coming to Christmas.
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And maybe I, I think every
Christmas, people you know, you
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think you read about Jesus, what
his name means, maybe Emmanuel.
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How do you spell Emmanuel?
That's the other thing.
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Yeah, I I think I prefer with
the EE.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When I see a church and it's
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like I, it's like Emmanuel.
I'm like, oh man.
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What are we doing?
There's a Catholic Church in
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Goose Creek that's an an
Emmanuel, right?
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I think I.
Yeah, with an I, yeah, that's.
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Why 'cause they're Catholic.
I'm just kidding.
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I'm just kidding that they were.
That just make.
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I'm making things up, but want
to talk about a name, Maybe
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even.
Maybe you thought about this.
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Maybe you haven't.
There's some circles where it
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seems like people perseverate on
this.
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Yeah, some.
People separate.
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That's a big word.
I must.
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Find that for us.
Really just constantly think
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about this, like can't take
their mind off of this Jesus or
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should it be Joshua or Yeshua?
Like, you know what, what should
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we say?
Why?
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Why do we say Jesus?
Why don't we say Joshua?
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Some people do say Yeshua over
and over again.
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They're like this is.
The only way or the I think the
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Greek is yesus.
Yesus or yesus exactly if you're
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going.
So we're going to talk about
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that.
And you know, I thought this is
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Christmas and Jasons.
Jesus.
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Or Jesus, there you go, a lot of
names.
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Hope you are ready.
But let's go ahead, take it to
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the next level.
Let's fire up that twangy music.
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From the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.
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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next
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level.
Jesus and Joshua, why this is a
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debate.
Is So what I hear you saying?
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Yeah.
Is that I need to start getting
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a lot more deference to my
nephew, whose name Joshua that.
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That's that's right, that's
right, 'cause the name Jesus is
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really the same name as as
Joshua.
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If you're like looking back at
origin and this kind of thing in
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Hebrew, Jesus name is Yeshua or
there's a longer from also
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Yahoshua, the same name that you
see Joshua son of Nun in the Old
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Testament.
But when the Old Testament was
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translated into Greek, what we
know as a Septuagint, the
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translators took the Hebrew
Yehey ashiwa.
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And just like you just said, the
Greek version yesus, yesus,
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yesus.
So in the New Testament written
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in Greek, Jesus is called yesus,
yesus.
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I keep like blending these
together.
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So we have the Hebrew Yeshua,
Yahshua, Greek Yesus, English
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Joshua and Jesus.
We have like 2 English
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equivalents for the same Hebrew
and Greek name.
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Maybe people have not thought
about this before.
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Yeah, I was just listening to a
different podcast.
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Oh yeah, there are, there are
similar ones out there.
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This is the Bear Grease podcast,
and they're doing deer hunting
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stories.
And there's this pastor who said
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that he was, I don't remember
the exact context, but he's
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like, yeah, Jesus was talking to
me.
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A lot of people call him Jesus.
He's goes to my church.
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It's funny, Yeah.
Yeah, it's like a congregate in
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his.
Church, right, Right.
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Yeah.
But yeah.
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So it it would feel weird to me
to name a child Jesus.
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Yeah, yeah, that it would.
It would feel strange.
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Yeah, but Jesus, I, I mean.
It's like.
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Yeah, it's not.
Yeah, it's like.
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It's pardon me, Jesus.
Yeah, it's like, it's like fine.
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It's like fine to hear it all
the time.
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Joshua.
That's fine.
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Joshua.
Fine.
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Yeah.
So wait, why, why do we have two
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different names?
We can look, we can like trace
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the the divergent, like why
doesn't our English New
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Testament call Jesus Joshua?
And spoiler alert, if you, if
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you're the King James Version,
there are places where it says
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Jesus, but it means Joshua, that
the other translations change
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Joshua.
We'll look at those a little bit
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later and we'll see.
We'll, we'll kind.
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Of yeah, let's look at those.
Yeah, we'll, we'll look at
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those.
So here's the historical reason.
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The Old Testament name came
straight into English as Joshua
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comes through Hebrew to English.
The New Testament name Jesus
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came through Greek and Latin.
So we kind of see see that
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progression that I'll let you
read it because I just like
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butcher it every time.
I guess Latin is probably really
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close to that.
Jesus to then Jesus.
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And and so essentially entered
the English language through
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different pathways.
This is like the big picture
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overview English there.
There's really 2 forms of the
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same name.
And by the time we get our
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English Bibles, Jesus was
already kind of the established
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Christian name for Christ and
translations didn't want to
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confuse people.
Like, wouldn't that be super
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confusing if, like, we were like
direct translation, it was all
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Joshua, like, whoa.
Yeah, that would be crazy.
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Do you even think of praying the
name of Joshua?
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It's.
Weird.
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Yeah, You're like, what is
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Oh.
That is.
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Crazy or or the vice versa.
After the death of Moses, the
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Lord said to Jesus, son of nine,
that would be weird to, you
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know, go the other way, Jesus.
Took the Battle of Jericho.
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Jericho Yeah, you'd be.
Like this doesn't make sense.
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So translators, you know, stick
with Joshua for Old Testament,
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Jesus for New Testament, even
though both in the Greek, same
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Greek word, Hebrew to Greek.
I'm contextualizing all this, so
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I'm like, you know, Joshua loves
me this.
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I know.
Yeah, you're like whole.
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Yeah.
It was just even if you know,
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that's it just.
It just is like hard.
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It's like so ingrained and so
here we.
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Go.
I'll stop.
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I'll stop Rabbit trailing this.
Hebrews for a Do you want to
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look this up in the KJV?
Oh yeah, sure.
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So this is this is where we get
it.
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And so if you go way old English
translations like 1611 KJV
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before the KDV, we have the
Witcliffe Bible, the Geneva
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Bible, literally every Bible
that was that old.
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We're going to look at Hebrews 4
eights and we'll read what what
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you have in the KGB and then
maybe compare it with the CSP.
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I can compare it with the ESP.
So go for it for if.
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Jesus had given them rest, then
would he not afterward have
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spoken of another day?
And if you read the context
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around it and we're talking
about, you know, promised land,
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this kind of thing in the ESB,
it says if Joshua had given them
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rest, but that that's why the
King James says Jesus because
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they're, you know, trying to or,
you know, says Jesus says
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Joshua.
They're trying to make that
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translation.
I'm guessing your CSB also says.
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My NASB.
Sorry, that's what I mean.
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Sorry NASB, I just think you're
the CSB guy too, you know?
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Yeah, I was for a while.
And then I had to get back to
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NSB because I'd done so much
memorization in ASB.
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It was.
It's difficult to get back, but
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yeah, let me look at.
But I'm sure I'm sure it's the
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same as the ESP but just to
check in.
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For if Joshua had given them
rest.
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But but the author of Hebrews
maybe is maybe, you know, you're
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trying to see this connection
deliberately.
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I don't know.
But I think there's a lot we can
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learn from this type, shadow
type, you know what I mean?
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Where Joshua has a lesser rest,
kind of points to the greater
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rest we have in Jesus.
So Old Testament, New Testament
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in the Greek, same exact word,
same spelling, same
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pronunciation.
We just translated a little bit
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differently because of what's
baked into our culture.
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Here's a question.
Why did the Septuagint use
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Yesus?
I always won those together for
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Yeshua.
Why did it go this way?
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It wasn't really random, but
this might be maybe a primer on
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what a transliteration is.
Yeah, it's not a translation.
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It's a transliteration.
Right.
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So basically you're just, well,
if you had some word over in
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names often don't have
translations.
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Especially a name.
Yeah.
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You're right.
So if you had the same name,
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like Michael, and there's a
Spanish version of it that's
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just been transliterated into
it.
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So it's like Miguel, it's like
you.
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Try to make it sounds.
Make it sounds.
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Similar, you maybe take some of
the letters and like if it is
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like the same kind of system,
it's pretty close.
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Yeah, if you're in Russia, it's
Mikhail, it's Michel, some
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places so.
So you're going for the sounds?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're.
Going for not necessarily the
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meaning, where if it was like,
you know, any other word, maybe
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not a name, maybe you would do a
whole different word that's
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totally different because you're
trying to capture the meaning of
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it.
But a but a name like you're
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saying is different.
So what they could have done was
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they could have found a word
that means salvation in Greek
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and then given that name to him,
since Joshua in Hebrew, from
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what I understand, means
salvation.
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Yeah, yeah, it it.
Yeah, exactly.
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And so maybe a different way
too.
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You think of the word
Hallelujah.
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It's a transliteration of the
Hebrew, basically.
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Hallelujah.
It's praise Yahweh.
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If we translated it, you might
say praise the Lord, but you
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could say Hallelujah is like the
word, the transliteration word.
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We think of Messiah versus
Christ.
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Messiah is a transliteration of
the Hebrew word for Messiah.
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I can never say these words,
Meshach, Meshach when we say
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Christ, that that's a
translation, that's an anointed
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one.
It's the same word as Messiah.
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It's it's not trying to keep the
sound the same.
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It's getting at the essence, the
meaning, the anointed.
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One, but I think from as it's
written it would be Mashiac,
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right?
Mashiac I think, I think so.
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I always get mixed up.
And so that that's kind of what
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happens with Jesus and Joshua.
But it's across Hebrew, Greek,
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Latin, English.
It's been transliterated so many
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times.
You get Jesus into the direct
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transliteration, straight from
Hebrew to Greek to English.
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You throw in these other, other
language, another one, baptize
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the Greek baptizo.
Baptizo means to immerse, dip,
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wash.
But most English Bibles say
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baptized because they're trying
to capture the sound.
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They don't say to immerse.
Wouldn't that be nice if they
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just say just just so you know,
they don't translate it, they
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transliterate it.
So we see this in other places
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too.
It's not just only with names or
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these certain things.
Does this matter?
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Why does it matter?
I don't know if it matters.
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Like everything, I don't think
it's like you should base your
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whole theology on this because
some people really are like we
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got.
The wrong name prayers.
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If you're not praying in the
name of Joshua, he doesn't hear
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hear your prayers.
Man, but that, that's the
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difference.
The English name Jesus, in
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essence is a transliteration of
a transliteration versus just a
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transliteration.
I don't know.
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Important to know is that the
Septuagint?
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It came into being about 200
years before Christ.
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So people were reading about
Joshua, but literally the name
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Jesus when they read this A2
agent before Christ was born.
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Now that is pretty cool to think
about.
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You know that Jesus is like what
they were reading and so they
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they might just think Joshua if
they had understanding of the
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Hebrew.
At all.
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So they would have really
connected Joshua in the Old
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Testament more than what we do
to the Joshua in the New
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Testament.
And I think that's informative.
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Like they they would have
naturally seen that more because
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like, I think unless you're told
that you probably don't pick up
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on that.
Jesus, Joshua.
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It's like close, but it's like
not the same.
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Interesting.
You and I just start a movement
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at CBC.
Yeah, let's do it.
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And I'll be like Joshua, no
other name is given to us under
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heaven by which you must be
saved.
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And people will be like, what
are you talking about?
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Oh sorry, I was just translating
directly from the Greek so you
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guys want the English version,
Sorry.
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Jesus, OK.
So as you, what we've been
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talking about is why did Bible
translations do this?
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Well, it's clarity the English
speaking world knows that Jesus
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as the name of Christ continuity
2000 years of tradition has uses
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Jesus and the meaning is
preserved.
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You know, Matthew 121 explains
the theology.
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He shall save his people from
his sins or salvation
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deliverance these things.
So switching the name in the
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English Bibles would as we've
like hinted that cause a lot of
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confusion even if it is
linguistically plausible and
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maybe food for thoughts.
I took this from an article I
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came across online, you know,
would you buy?
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It'd be interesting to make a
Bible that substituted Jesus
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with Joshua.
And like we were saying, like,
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imagine all these things at the
name of Joshua.
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Every knee should bow every
tongue confess that Joshua
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Christ is Lord.
It would just be mind blowing,
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but it's good to think about the
name that he'll save the people
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from our sins that Yahweh saves
or whatever the Lord is our
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salvation.
These different things for
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Joshua and Jesus because that
that's what we see in the New
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Testament.
We see that in the picture of
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Joshua and we see this
connection, but I think matters
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a lot to think about that.
Joshua leads Israel to the
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promised land.
Jesus leads us into God's final
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resting Kingdom.
Joshua succeeds Moses because
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the law can't save.
Jesus doesn't what the law can
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ever do.
Joshua defeats Israel's enemies.
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Jesus defeats sin, death, and
Satan.
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Joshua gives Israel an earthly
inheritance.
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Jesus gives us our eternal
inheritance and then Hebrews 3
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and 4.
That's the one where the KJV
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mistranslates Joshua's the
shadow.
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I don't see people giving the
KJV any flak for this.
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I've never heard this before.
Like I never was like I never
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picked up on that.
And I grew up in the KJV and I,
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I never, you know, picked up the
oh, that that talking about
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Joshua, not Jesus.
Why is it saying?
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Jesus, you know what I mean?
Yeah, that, that is interesting.
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So anyway, big picture Jesus,
Joshua, I thought it'd be fun.
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We're Christmas time.
You got something to add?
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Here I was just thinking with
all these things, it would be
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nice if there was a program
where you could say make these
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flips.
I want all of the plural U's to
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be y'all.
Yeah, just do this, yeah.
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Porky, but I'd prefer y'all I
want in to be upper room like
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let me let's make that correct.
Let's make Jesus Joshua.
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Let's let's.
We should we should do this make
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like a version of the Bible,
just like couple we base it off
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of 1.
You know, we get permission from
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the Lockman Foundation or
crossway and do an ASB or
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they'll they'll they'll probably
give it to us.
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They'll probably take two
listeners and we and we could
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just be OK, let's use this and
change.
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I mean, that's essential.
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
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Probably never going to have it
because that's essentially what
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do you ever read the LSB?
The legacy standard Bible.
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I'm aware of it, but I've.
Never really read it, but they
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got permission from the lockman.
Foundation.
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This is Macarthurs.
Macarthurs and they basically
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kept everything the same as NSB
95 but they just changed out
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Yahweh for Lord and they change
that like slave for bondservant
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or something like that and they
basically everything else is the
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same for the most part you know?
Yeah, this slave for bondservant
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thing it it's not a, it's not a,
it's not a simple thing because,
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because you make choices,
because there are places where
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it happens real close to each
other and they do one slave and
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they do 1 servant or one bond
servant.
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And it's like it's the same word
underneath there.
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And so, yeah, it's because
slave, I think there was this
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big push to make it be slave,
but then slave in that time was
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not what we have in our context.
Bond Servant's a good word
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because it's like a weird word
to like you like you.
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It like stands out where it
draws your attention, where I
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kind of like that better than
just servant because it's like
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it's a little.
Bit more elevated above a
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servant, but it doesn't come
with all the the baggage that
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that slaves has with it.
You know the.
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So, but I guess if you're
McCarthy, you get the permission
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to like make that to like bar
that text like, you know, and,
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and make your subtle changes and
it's fine.
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Other names.
I thought that would be fun.
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Mary and Joseph, you know, let's
let's go through some of this.
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Mary the Hebrew.
Really.
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It's pretty close to Miriam.
Yeah, I was aware of that one.
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You know, meanings, beloved,
exalted one.
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Also, I don't think it.
Possibly bitter, rebellious,
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probably not, but mostly
beloved.
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And then we got Joseph Yosef.
That sounds like.
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A Polish name to me, Joseph.
I know, yeah, means to add or to
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increase.
God will add Yahweh, may Yahweh
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increase.
Kind of echoes this Genesis
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story of Joseph expanding the
covenant family.
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Anyway, little teasers threw in
a couple of names for fun, but
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big picture Jesus and Joshua,
they say it's the same name.
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It's just just the funnel of how
the history I love like we did
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that series on translations or
that, you know, whatever.
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It's just interesting to know
like that's there is a rhyme or
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reason, but it's not necessarily
a good one.
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Super clean.
Yeah.
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Yeah, exactly.
It's like, OK, we got here for
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this reason that Jesus and
Joshua really shared the same
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name.
They the Greek uses the same
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form for both English.
We keep them separate for
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clarity, not because their names
are actually different.
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The meaning of the name Yahweh
saves heart of the Gospel.
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Joshua foreshadows Jesus and
even you know, Jesus family name
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preaches a little bit of
theology with Mary and Joseph
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and so.
So what, what you know, there's
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this joke that goes on where
people make fun of Christians,
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like they'll knock on door and
like, hey, do you know Jesus
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Christ?
She's your personal Lord and
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Savior, but we need to change
that.
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Joshua, do you know?
Joshua, do you know?
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Joshua yeah, that is like so
wild to even think about.
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And there it's, it's yeah, it's
the same like AI guess maybe
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this maybe come it comes up if
you're taking Greek or something
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and you're like reading a
Septuagint and you're like
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reading, I don't know, we just
know so much, but.
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If you would have asked me
before, you know, looking at
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these notes and stuff and you
said, I always said, Oh yeah, I
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think they are like derivatives.
But I would have thought that
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Jesus name had slightly changed
a little bit.
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And that's what gave us the rise
of Joshua here and Jesus here.
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But it's really just once
translated from the Hebrew,
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transliterated from the Hebrew,
and once transliterated from the
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Greek or Latin, which was then
translated into Hebrew, it's.
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Just like a more.
Yeah, exactly.
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And it's it's where I came
across too.
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It's like, you know, no Jew
would ever be called James.
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It they it's Jacob.
I mean, not Jacob, but you know,
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Hebrew, the transliteration.
And there is another another
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name like that too.
Maybe it was Jude where it
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wouldn't be Jude.
Judas.
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Maybe it's Judas and we just say
it because it's just cleaner to
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separate him.
But it should be Jude, you know
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Judas.
On that long episode of all the
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people on how they died, it was
like, I was like getting
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confused between Judas and Jude.
And I was like, Oh yeah, it's
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the same name because.
The same name.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think I'm trying to think if
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there's any other thing, but
they're like, you know, anyway
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you know names.
So hey, Judas, don't, don't,
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don't be so sad.
That's great.
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So maybe we'll have a few other
Christmas episodes.
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We'll just say this one gave you
a couple minutes back.
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We went a few minutes long on
the impossible 1:00.
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We we try to even it out.
You know what?
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I'm saying yeah, yeah.
And so I will just say I'm sorry
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to keep advertising this, but
but, but I will.
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But this one actually does come
out.
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On.
On December the 9th if I'm
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gotten that right.
So Northwoods.
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This is Northwood Baptist if
you're local, and you can buy
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your tickets online if you look
up house for the holidays.
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House for the holidays you're
playing on?
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Friday the 12th, yes, OK.
And that's an evening.
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And then Saturday the 13th,
that's a matinee like I think.
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I think and no, Sunday we're
done.
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No Sunday this year.
I'm not sure why that.
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Seems like an easy 1 to get to.
Maybe it was hard.
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It's just a stress with church.
And it was.
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It was stressful.
For the people in it.
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Yeah, it was stressful for us
because we had to get out and
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like I had to leave early and
stuff.
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So yeah.
Yeah, I get that.
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OK, cool.
Well, awesome.
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Great.
Maybe some more Christmas
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episodes down the Pike.
We'll see.
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No promises.
Maybe interviews, we said.
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There we go.
Yeah.
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Yeah, we need to talk about more
about, you know, Joshua coming
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in the form of men.
Boom, I love it.
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That's our take.
Thanks for listening to Take 2.
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